It just looks different...

traingeekboy Aug 5, 2007

  1. traingeekboy

    traingeekboy TrainBoard Member

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    The layout looks different now that all the track is in place. I have been doing the old structure shuffle trying to fit buildings into places they may not fit into very well. Nothing seems to look right at this point. I will keep placing and moving and replacing I suppose. Has anyone else run into that feeling that the layout just doesn't look the way you thought it would? I seem to have ended up with someone elses layout. LOL
     
  2. davido

    davido TrainBoard Member

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    that is my reason for

    building all of the mian structures for this current attempt (#3) at a layout. maybe i will complete this one. currently i am acquiring kits, building and scratchbuilding structures before i attempt a trackplan.

    with the scenes set i will build a railroad to fit.....hopefully.

    regards
    david
     
  3. TRT2

    TRT2 TrainBoard Member

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    Ironically, I try to build layouts that look as great as others... but in the end, it always looks like mine. :)
     
  4. BoxcabE50

    BoxcabE50 HOn30 & N Scales Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

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    Yup! I think this sums it all up quite well.

    :D

    Boxcab E50
     
  5. Caddy58

    Caddy58 TrainBoard Member

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    Geeky,

    that is normal! I found that my eyes got used to the view of plain plywood, so when all of the sudden buildings appear they just all look wrong, as they change the "kown" look of the layout.

    My suggestion: Place the buildings in a logical and at least semi-appealing way and then let it sit for a few weeks. Most areas will probably start to look good. Go back at change what only looks "sort of OK..."

    Cheers
    Dirk
     
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  6. traingeekboy

    traingeekboy TrainBoard Member

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    Yeah I placed the buildings and left, mind you I've done this before on this layout, they look better now.

    I was going to try to put some large buildings on the layout, but they sort of looked wrong. I may just tear out a small portion of the layout and set buildings in place and then relay the track to fit the buildings.

    Maybe that's the problem, It still looks like my layout and not something from a magazine. Grrrr....
     
  7. traingeekboy

    traingeekboy TrainBoard Member

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    As I said before I placed the buildings and left. After a month of having them on the layout and fiddling their locations I feel better about my layout now. I even realized how my scenery plans were all wrong and now I have to add some small hillocks onto the layout just to give it some variety. thanks for the tip. I think I was having one of those MR OCD moments.
     
  8. ppuinn

    ppuinn Staff Member

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    Geeky:
    I didn't catch this thread when it started last month, but would like to offer this (belated) perspective...

    Much of our "work" in model railroading is done mentally: we daydream about how our layouts will look, picturing some scene we've actually seen first-hand, or maybe saw pictures of in a magazine, or maybe heard someone describe so well we can imagine what it looked like. We mentally create a visual image that we want to reproduce on our layouts that is perfect, the ideal or dream image that we are shooting for when we model something.

    But to make a model of the dream image requires we make hundred or thousands of compromises as we try to make a scale representation of our dream image. The primary compromises come about in the massive selective compression required to fit the envisioned RR empire--or even a complete small town!--in a basement, spare room, or (especially challenging) on a hollow core door or desktop.

    Most of us are reconciled to the realities of settling for a modeled representation of our ideal image that falls far short of what we would like to have. But that doesn't stop us from searching catalogs or train store shelves for "perfect" models, going to swap meets or modeling clinics, reading magazines, searching the internet, asking questions on Trainboard, talking to friends, etc...all in an attempt to bring our modeled layout closer to our dream image.

    For myself, I know I constantly hold the dream images in my head, and when I watch my trains traveling on the P&PU Ry in N, I'm filling in all the blank spaces with the dream images. I've put up dozens of mock-ups to see how I'll be able to make the modeled RR come closer to the dream images, but I'm still filling in the gap between those mock-ups and the dream image with imagined buildings, scenery, detailing, etc.

    Some of my earlier mock-ups were made of cardboard and were too far from my dream image to tolerate; so I upgraded to more precisely shaped foamboard mock-ups and eventually will get even more finely detailed models. But, I know there will always be a gap between the reality of my model and the perfect dream image I'd like to represent...so I'll always superimpose the dream image over the modeled reality, no matter how close my modeling comes to the dream.

    When you put those buildings down on the layout, you brought your modeled representation closer to your dream image, but you also realized you still had a way to go. You may have imagined how the buildings would look and had high hopes, but when you actually set them on the layout, the differences from the dream image were still too glaring.

    In disappointment (or maybe frustration) you walked away for a while. Your mind worked on the problem (consciously or subconsciously), and later the differences weren't so jarring...you had probably come up with some other ideas for making the layout fit your dream image a little better, perhaps even incorporating the very structures that looked so out of place just a while back.

    Probably one reason some of our layouts are never finished is because we're always comparing the reality of our modeling with the dream image in our head, and we say, "Hmmm...maybe if I tried it this other way...."
     
  9. traingeekboy

    traingeekboy TrainBoard Member

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    Thanks for responding. I think it is better to know one isn't alone in layout dementia. uhh.... I have a couple questions though.

    1. Is this a clinical diagnosis?

    2. will I need to take medication?

    3. will I be covered under my insurance for this?

    (sorry, I'm in a silly mood today. LOL)

    I think you nailed it. I kept looking at the layout, and I could see something sort of superimposed over the bare doorpanel and track in my minds eye. So when I started putting in those structures it just didn't match up. believe it or not what I ended up doing looks nothing like the original plan, but I think it looks better.
     
  10. ppuinn

    ppuinn Staff Member

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    Is Layout Dementia a clinical diagnosis? Yes! The syndrome was first identified by noted psychiatrist and Master Model Railroader, Inda Traynes.
    The primary diagnostic indicators are mild hallucinations and misperceptions experienced while viewing a model railroad layout. Persons with the syndrome often report seeing their model trains passing stations, industries, or structures that are not apparent to other individuals. They also exhibit a marked tendancy toward exaggerations regarding distances traveled between cities, and misperceptions about the number of RR sidings it takes to adequately serve a very large industry such as an oil refinery, paper mill, or power plant.
    Other syndrome characteristics include:
    1. frequent daydreaming about model train layouts,
    2. manic track planning,
    3. preoccupations with
    --- single letters (notably G, H (usually paired with O), N, O, S, and Z),
    ---letter combinations (including but not limited to: AAR,BNSF, CNW, CSX, DRGW, FEC, GP, IC/CN, NMRA, SD, UP),
    --- numbers (usually 87, but increasingly 160),
    --- concepts (including layout design elements, helixes, and selective compression),
    4. periods of great activity are often followed--seemingly without predictability--by episodes of intense pride or feelings of frustration and disappointment when looking at their own layout. (This can be especially disconcerting to family members who are often unable to see significant differences between the quality of the product leading to pride and the quality of the product that led to frustration or disappointment.)
    5. sudden curiousity and envy when looking at others' layouts,
    6. self-consciousness about size, often accompanied by persistent requests of other family members for more space.

    Treatment:
    1. Provide the individual with information about the relatively benign nature of the condition and its very high incidence, especially among adult males involved in model railroading.
    2. Encourage the individual to self-administer liberal doses of Trainboard.com reality checks on an as-needed basis.
    3. Caution the individual that if left untreated and in its more virulent form, it is known to strain interpersonal relationships. Best practice guidelines suggest that Layout Dementia treatment plans include performing frequent actions designed to cultivate stronger interpersonal relationships with family and friends.
    4. Medications have been helpful in some severe cases, but most other treatment strategies have produced mixed results.
    --- Frequent trips to LHSs, train meets, and layout tours have been reported to reduce symptoms, but are sometimes expensive and have been documented to aggravate symptoms, as well.
    ---Affiliation with others carrying the same diagnosis seems to reduce symptoms in some individuals on some occasions and increase symptoms at other times.

    Insurance Coverage:
    This condition is not covered by most insurance companies; however, individuals should be warned that inquiring about said coverage may precipitate a referral by the insurance company for a more severe condition that IS covered under some mental health insurance plans.
     
  11. traingeekboy

    traingeekboy TrainBoard Member

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    He he he thats good.
     
  12. firechief

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    Me, too.

    The town on my door layout has 18 buildings. They sat on the door for over two months before they were glued down. They were re-arranged at least twice a week before I was satisfied.
    Unfortunately, I'm just starting the train yard/industrial park. Pray for me.:confused:

    Dave.
     
  13. traingeekboy

    traingeekboy TrainBoard Member

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    I feel your pain. :)
     

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