About a year ago, I saw a woman so ugly, she was beutiful. It was love at first sight, I was a victom. It was a meant to be. I had to have her. No one could bring me this happiness, so I decided to make it happen on my own. Here is a "Link" to information on her with pictures and history. http://www.shiawasseehistory.com/mckeen.html She is a McKeen Motor Car. I have always had a heart for the ugly, and unusual. I decided to build this dream. I wanted to build a prototype, using an exsisting observation car. I really dont know why, because I destroyed a perfectly good Atlas Heavyweight, even though it would have been easier to start with a blank sheet of styrene, lol.. But oh well.. This is a prototype. I will be using a Spectrum Doodlebug mechanism for this prototype. If it works, I will do another using styrene, and see which comes out better. The other one I may try a Kato mechanism. But, for now, it is going to have to get much more ugly, before she gets purdier. Here, sides of the heavyweight being shaped using epoxy and a 70' scale wooden form I made for the project. All windows will be filled and new round windows will be installed. Here is my 1st step (other than completly destroying the Atlas car) Stay Tuned...
Geez , thats an ambitious project . I had a McKeen UP M-24 when I was in HO , I would love that in N , but all the work , by the time I got done it would look worse than a brick at the bottom of a pigeons coop . Good luck , I am looking forward to this .
Great project......have seen those copyright protected pictures before. Here is one site: http://www.shiawasseehistory.com/mckeen.html
Didn't someone make brass sides for this car? I can't find it online now and it could have been in HO though.
It is going to be a challenge. Fortunatly, I like a good challenge. If it doesnt work, I will punt on the 4th. But, going to give it a shot. I think I can do this, we all will see, lol... The 2nd picture of the projects, I warped the front side with a heat gun. I was heating it to soften the plastic so it will natually take the shape of the wooden blank. Well, we all know how heat guns can either be your friend, or your enemy. In this case, I lost that battle, so I had to cut that portion out and fill. It may make this prototype a pile, but still going to try it this way, then cut side panels from styrene for another. Wish me luck, I think I am going to need it.
Who are you , the copyright police . He is not selling them as his , he is helping us understand a project . Get a life . You pulled this crap at invision as well .
I did notice the comment, but didnt want to get into all that. I use pictures off the internet all the time as reference material. THAT is why it's there, for history, and refference material. If the owner didnt want a picture looked at, it wouldnt have been posted. I am not using the picture as a marketing, or commercial purpose, but solely for reference as it is intended. Obviously I did not take the picture, (not quite that old, hehheh). Also, the picture is hosted on MY own personal site, and not hosted on this site, so there should not be any legal problems. If there is, I hope the moderators will tell me, and I will glady remove the link to the picture if they feel it may jepordise anything on the site. I posted it for those that are interested to see what I would like to accomplish. This being a very rare prototype, odds are I will never get to see one in person in order to take my "own" picture. At any rate. Hope you enjoy the picture, and the ones that are sure to follow as I progress with this project. I think it is going to be a fun one.. :shade: BTW: That site IS in fact the site I gathered my data for this project.
Careful there. Let's keep it positive as much as possible. I think it was apparent from the initial photos that these are likely copyrighted photos or may not be available for commercial use. I don't think that this is commercial use. If the initial poster had told us that we needed to pay him fifty cents per view then we'd have a clear problem. I don't think anyone for a moment thought that the initial poster took the pictures himself back in, what, the 1920s? Back to the issue, this is a very interesting project and I am interested in seeing it as it progresses. These oddball gas cars that so many roads hacked together are a mostly ignored part of the manufactured offerings available. Adam
Due to a complaint I received at support, I have removed the first three photos. I'm sure the original poster meant no harm, and the complaint did not originate from someone that posted to the thread. We just have to be careful what we post folks. Sometimes people take exception, sometimes they don't. If you get permission, let me know and they can go back up. Charlie
I understand, and because of the complaint I will remove the other photos and kill the original post. Point being, project pictures at this point without seeing what is trying to be done as a final result are pretty much just a picture of a big mess. So, I will kill text, and post as well and you may lock the thread and let it die into archive. When I get the project finished, maybe I will post some pictures of my model when it is complete. Thanks, and again, I understand. T
Is it permissible for a post to include links to pictures of McKeen cars posted elsewhere on the web? That way people could click on the links and see what you-re trying to do. Heck of a project, you have my respect for trying something like that. Regards Ed
Technically speaking, they should post a link to a web page, not just a picture on the original site. We have one site that has complained several times about people posting a link to just a photo. They feel that people clicking on it is "theft of bandwidth." Linking to a web page where photos and text are displayed, etc..... I don't think anyone should complain about that as it gets them some site visitors. Just on occasion. It's been a while since anyone complained but there have been past instances like this. It's not a big deal, we just have to make sure people don't claim a copyright violation. It's hard to prove otherwise if they say, "Here are the original photos on the original web site." I would like to see this project continue here if we can just get a link to the web page where they appear "legally" (if that is the right term). Charlie
To all.. No, I have not pulled the project. I pulled the pictures, and the post. Pretty much because pictures of a resin mess is simply a resin mess, and there may be many that do not even know what it is trying to be. If I can not post a picture of what I am going for, what is the point of showing a picture of a blob of plastic and epoxy? (Not being sarchastic or a cry baby, lol). I know there are a select few on ALL sites that get pretty picky on "the laws", and even though I think it is petty, I respect it. Takes all of us to make a board if we agree or not on a subject. If it can get a site I enjoy in legal trouble, I understand their stance, and will respect that. Do I agree? No.. But, I DO understand it, and no hard feelings to the site administrators for doing what they have to do. That said, when this project starts to look more like it should, instead of an epoxy mess, I will post some more pictures of the actual project. I think it is a cool project, and one that I have been wanting to undertake for some time. Thanks for standing with me on the tast.. :teeth:
Here you go then, http://www.shiawasseehistory.com/mckeen.html Not exactly the same pictures, but McKeen cars. Plus history to boot! Don't kill the project............. Regards Ed
UPDATE 4/9/07 Ok friends.. There has been a change in gears. I started the project using an atlas heavyweight. However, seeing that I completley destroied the car, and didn't have much but the side panels to do the project, I figured, why did I bother even starting with that car? I might as well have simply cast my own side panels, and saved my heavyweight.. So, I took the penalty, and now it's back to 1st and 10.. :shade: I decided to use the original car that I had wanted to use, but did not have. The Con-Cor Smoothside Observation car. I now have 2 of them on the way to me, one of which I got from one of Trainboard's own members, (thanks). Seeing that if you set this car backwards, it is close to the siloette of the McKeen Motor Car (can I write that name without copyright infringment? mg (just joking, had to). But anyway.. It will need to undergo extensive cutting and filling, but, it being closer to the shape of the prototype, I feel there will be much more material left after the cutting, then there was when I removed my safety glasses with the heavyweight. SOOO... That said, I will take more pictures as I go, but have no more yet, unless you would like to see a picture of a pile of plastic dust and debri? Update when I get my cars here, and start again.. BTW: I am also considering cutting, and shortening the wheelbase of the Spectrum Doodlebug. I can fit it in the prototypes 70 feet (barely with some mild grinding), but even though I am not a rivit counter, the truck spacing is not as close as I think they should be, so I may be cutting the chassis to shorten it (there will be pictures of that mess too..) Wish me luck (safety glasses on)
Photos, copyright, and Trainboard I'm not an attorney, and nothing that follows should be construed as legal advice, but I'd say the following here: A. There's a big difference between (1) posting an image so that it shows up as something that looks like it's stored on Trainboard's server to an external URL) (which can be done by clicking the "Insert Image" button) and (2) referring to an image by means of a URL, so that it doesn't show up in your post, in which case it's obvious that the image is on someone else's server. B. Do (1) ONLY if you've permission or if the source page clearly states that non-commercial use is OK. C. Don't hesitate to do (2). And Trainboard shouldn't worry about people who are upset about (2). --Bryan Pfaffenberger Science, Technology, and Society Univ. of Virginia
