Hi, Well I was assembling the rolling stock for the a show tomorrow, and after carefully select all of the era correct rolling stock, the transition diesel and some steam locomotives, I go to my boxes for cabooses and find I have now caboose for ATSF prior to 1960. How could I have done such a dastardly deed? I thought I had them, but I fear I may have lost a few along with a few other items.... Well I now see I have to go on a search for era specific cabooses. I am looking for 1936 to 1955 time frame. The new IM CE-1 is a 1960+ as are the Atlas EV cabooses. I have a 36' Riveted Steel Caboose. MT #100030 in my rolling stock database and I just can not find it. So I will scour the internet for the right ones. What would be the proper caboose(s) for this era? I do not have any ATSF roster information at my disposal. It looks like MT and Atlas have done wood sided cabooses as well as 34 and 36 foot steel cabooses. What should I be looking for in a nutshell? Thanks!
David and of course all tuned in, David, you wrote: I am looking for 1936 to 1955 time frame. End quote. One of my favorite resources for finding ATSF equipment in the time frame mentioned is: http://www.snowcrest.net/photobob/collectionindex.html Jack Whitmeyer's Collection. I've attached some thumbnails you can take a look at, from the same collection. The photos are not mine and used here strictly for illustration and documentation.
Here are some of my files on Santa Fe cabooses of the era you mention. These are not internet sites but references to information publishes in books, magazines and society journals... series 500-599 blt 1949 ATSF steel caboose series 500 scale drawing _SFMA High Iron_ JulyAug71 p.6 series 500 kitbash in HO using Athearn caboose & roofs from boxcars _SFMA High Iron_ JulyAug71 p.7 N model: Atlas, Trix & ModelPower 5+3 window caboose with extensive kitbash using boxcar body for peaked roof caboose 506, 1951 view Warbonnet 1Q99 p.13 caboose 508 steel, _Caboose Cars_ p.25 caboose #515 prize model, Warbonnet 3Q-2009 p. 36 caboose 554R roof view Warbonnet 1Q99 p.13 caboose 559-R _SFMA High Iron_ JulyAug71 p.8 caboose 566R, at Fort Worth, 1958 color pix, Warbonnet 1Q99 p.19 caboose 572-R, steel roofwalk. tinted color pix _The Railroad_ Santa Fe PR publication (1958) back cover Caboose 564 KCM&Orient wood, pix & scale drwg _Caboose Cars_ p.14,15 Caboose #585 1955 Warbonnet 2Q-2009 p.3 Caboose 669 converted from boxcar w bench on roof _Santa Fe 1940-1971 in color_ p.82 caboose 669 "Hollywood" temporary Warbonnet 3Q 2001 p.37 Caboose 669 "Hollywood" temp.cab., 1963 color pix _Caboose Cars_ p.v Caboose 679, wood w side door 1937 pix,"Santa Fe Paint & Letter" p.45 Caboose 734 side door pix & scale drwg _Caboose Cars_ p.6,7 caboose 743, side door "Coach,Cabbage & Caboose" p.169 caboose 754, side door. _SF Steel Rails thru Calif_ p.155 side-door caboose #763, 1941 Warbonnet 3Q 03 p.13 HO model ATSF side-door caboose by Paul Larson _ModRRer_ May55 p.29 caboose “Hollywood” 791. HO prize model: Warbonnet 3Q 04 p.10 caboose 799 side-door prize model, Warbonnet 3Q-2008 p.27 #824 WW2 side-door waycar from former BX-5 1943 pix _Santa Fe Boxcars 1869-1953_ p.81 caboose 824 "Hollywood" temporary Warbonnet 3Q 2001 p.37 side door caboose 955 from exBX-W _Santa Fe Boxcars 1869-1953_ p.69 caboose 982 "Hollywood" temporary Warbonnet 3Q 2001 p.37 Coach & way car 987 plan "Coach,Cabbage & Caboose" p.47 Caboose 988, converted boxcar w bench on roof "Santa Fe Paint & Letter" p. 46 caboose 988 "Hollywood", boxcar w roof seat Warbonnet 2Q 03 p.31 caboose "Hollywood" temporary, review Sunshine HO kit, model pix Warbonnet 3Q 2001 p.37 diff pix _RailModCraftsman_ Oct2001 p.14 caboose 1038 side door Warbonnet 2Q 03 p.31 Caboose 1062-1081 wood, side door, scale drwg _Caboose Cars_ p.12-13 Caboose 1066 (side door) ca1946? pix Santa Fe Modeler 2Q92 p.12 "Coach,Cabbage & Caboose" p.169 Caboose 1070 (side door), 1940 pix, Santa Fe Modeler 2Q92 p.12 Caboose 1070 wood, side door, photo _Caboose Cars_ p.12 caboose 1118 wood transfer 1951, _Caboose Cars_ p.74 Caboose 1153, wood, proto pix Model Railroader Jun86 p.46 Caboose 1300-1449 series converted to bunk car _Work Eqpt.Cars_ p.229 Caboose 1324 wood 3/4 window pix & scale drwg _Caboose Cars_ p.11 Caboose 1334 wood, 4 window, 1947 pix _Caboose Cars_ p.8 Caboose 1364 wood _Caboose Cars_ p.10 Caboose 1371 wood 1939 pix _Caboose Cars_ p.9 Caboose 1410, wood _Caboose Cars_ p.9 Caboose 1412 wood, 3 windows 1950 pix _Caboose Cars_ p.8 Caboose 1420 prize model Warbonnet 3Q 06 p.25 Caboose 1421 wood 1971 at Perris museum _Caboose Cars_ p.10 Caboose 1426 blt 1923, wood. proto pix, Warbonnet 3Q 05 p.24 Caboose 1430 wood 1969 condemned pix _Caboose Cars_ p.10 caboose #1443 hi angle w crew on platform 1947 Warbonnet 2Q02 p.14 series 1500-1649 blt 1927 ACF steel caboose N model: Atlas, Trix & ModelPower 5+3 generally conforming. Caboose 1500 end view _Caboose Cars_ p.18 Caboose 1500, end view ACF bldrs photo 1927 Warbonnet 1Q99 p.8 caboose 1521 said to be at Mulvane KS used at St.Joseph Hospital records center (no pix) in list of surviving ATSF steel cabooses Warbonnet 1Q99 p.17 caboose 1522, 1950 color pix, Warbonnet 1Q99 p.18 caboose 1523, Leadville COL, Silver King Motel (no pix) included in list of surviving ATSF steel cabooses Warbonnet 1Q99 p.17 caboose 1532. HO prize model: Warbonnet 3Q 04 p.10 caboose 1528 at Hereford, TX, at Deaf Smith County Museum (no pix) included in list of surviving ATSF steel cabooses Warbonnet 1Q99 p.17 caboose 1538 in Amarillo TX, used as Chisolm Real Estate office (no pix) included in list of surviving ATSF steel cabooses Warbonnet 1Q99 p.17 caboose 1539 at Lampe MO, Caboose Jct Resort (no pix) included in list of surviving ATSF steel cabooses Warbonnet 1Q99 p.17 caboose 1542 wood running bds, visible signs where highball signal removed. early 1960s pix. _Railroad Modeler_ May75 p.20 caboose 1544, 1973 color pix, Warbonnet 1Q99 p.18 caboose 1551, 1948 pix Model Railroader Sept91 p.67 caboose 1554, 1974 pix at Bakersfield Warbonnet 1Q99 p.10 caboose 1564, at Silsbee, 1968 color pix, Warbonnet 1Q99 p.19 caboose 1569 1953 pix w 30" wigwag signal at Shattuck OKL Warbonnet 1Q99 15 caboose 1576, side view ACF bldr photo 1927 Warbonnet 1Q99 p.8 Caboose 1577,"Santa Fe Paint & Letter" p.48 caboose 1577 w/ highball signal, wood running bd. 1955 pix _Prototype Modeler_ Aug78 p.12 caboose 1577 w highball signal Warbonnet 2Q 2006 p.18 Caboose 1579, pix, _ATSF Color Guide to Frt & Psgr Eqpt_ p.105 caboose 1582-R. w wood tool box both sides,m 1976 pix. _Prototype Modeler_ Aug78 p.12 caboose 1598 said to be at Carthage,TX. used on Carthage, Knightstown & Shirley RR (no pix) included in list of surviving ATSF steel cabooses Warbonnet1Q99 p.17 caboose 1605 in Sealy TX, at Santa Fe Park Museum (no pix) included in list of surviving ATSF steel cabooses Warbonnet 1Q99 p.17 caboose 1611 Perry OK, used cabin, in poor condition (no pix) included in list of surviving ATSF steel cabooses Warbonnet 1Q99 p.17 Caboose 1619, 1974 color pix _Caboose Cars_ p.iv caboose 1622, pix in 1940 w 30" wigwag signal Warbonnet 1Q99 p.15 caboose 1630, pix ca.1943 Warbonnet 1Q99 p.11 caboose 1632R, 1968 color pix, Warbonnet 1Q99 p.19 caboose 1637 at Wichita KS, Joyland Amusement Park (no pix) included in list of surviving ATSF steel cabooses Warbonnet 1Q99 p.17 caboose 1645 wood running bd, highball signall 1969 pix _Railroad Modeler_ May75 p.21 series 1650-1749 blt 1928 ACF steel caboose N model: Atlas, Trix & ModelPower 5+3 generally conforming. caboose 1680 end view, mid-distance _SF Steel Rails thru Calif_ p.176 caboose 1699, 1947 pix at Winfield KS, w highball signal Warbonnet 1Q99 p.11 caboose 1703 R at Panhandle, TX, Square House Museum (no pix) included in list of surviving ATSF steel cabooses Warbonnet 1Q99 p.17 caboose 1700R used in drover service Warbonnet 3Q 2001 p.23 background Warbonnet 3Q 2001 p.26 Caboose 1708 CW-1, transfer 1974 pix, _ATSF Color Guide to Frt & Psgr Eqpt_ p.109 caboose 1712 at Lampe Mo, Caboose Jct Resort (no pix) list of surviving ATSF steel cabooses Warbonnet 1Q99 p.17 caboose 1716, both sides, ACF bldrs photo 1928 Warbonnet 1Q99 p.9 caboose 1716, 1970 color pix,"Argentine transfer service", Warbonnet 1Q99 p.18 Caboose 1737 in mixed service "Coach,Cabbage & Caboose" p.117 caboose 1748, 1966 color pix, Warbonnet 1Q99 p.18 series 1750-1874 blt 1929 ACF steel caboose N model: Atlas, Trix & ModelPower 5+3 generally conforming. caboose 1750, 1946 pix at Pinole, Cal Warbonnet 1Q99 p.11 Caboose 1753 1959 pix Warbonnet 4Q97 p.21 caboose 1757-R steel, "local service" _Caboose Cars_ p.19 caboose 1760R in Albuquerque, NMex Railroad Park south of SF shops (no pix) included in list of surviving ATSF steel cabooses Warbonnet 1Q99 p.17 caboose 1761R in Perris CA, at Orange Empire Rwy Museum (no pix) included in list of surviving ATSF steel cabooses Warbonnet 1Q99 p.17 caboose 1763R HO model by John B. Moore Warbonnet 1Q 04 p.40 caboose 1765 in Lampe Mo, Caboose Jct Resort (no pix) included in list of surviving ATSF steel cabooses Warbonnet 1Q99 p.17 caboose 1783, pix 1949 at Longview, TX Warbonnet 1Q99 p.12 Caboose 1785R steel, min brown, multiple white scotchlite heralds, not modernized, black roof & roofwalk, Aug61 pix, _ATSF Color Guide to Frt & Psgr Eqpt_ p.105 caboose 1806, pix in 1943 w 18" wigwag signal Warbonnet 1Q99 p.14 caboose 1824 steel transfer 1969, _Caboose Cars_ p.74 caboose 1826 steel transfer 1969, _Caboose Cars_ p.74 Caboose 1828 prize model Warbonnet 3Q 97 p.2 Caboose 1860 steel _Caboose Cars_ p.16 Caboose 1860, 1946 pix w wagonwheel antenna Warbonnet 1Q99 p.16 Caboose 1861 at Lampe Mo, Caboose Jct Resort (no pix) included in list of surviving ATSF steel cabooses Warbonnet 1Q99 p.17 Caboose 1863 side view Warbonnet 3Q02 p.3 Caboose 1864R, 1956 Classic Trains Summer 02 p.32 Caboose 1870R detailing N scale _Model Railroader_ Aug95 p.100 using Gold Medal #1618 Model Power caboose details Gold Medal #1642 steam loco detail series 1875-1978 blt 1930 ACF steel caboose N model: Atlas, Trix & ModelPower 5+3 generally conforming. Caboose 1877, 1931 view "Santa Fe Paint & Letter" p.46 shows steel running boards, red roof Caboose 1899, pix ca 1943 Warbonnet 1Q99 p.11 Caboose 1910R, steel, not modernized, steel running boards, appears roof originally black, repainted red, now peeling. 1969 pix, _ATSF Color Guide to Frt & Psgr Eqpt_ p.106 Caboose 1951 pix "The Railroad" Santa Fe PR publication (1958) p.13 scale drawings, Model Railroader Jan49 p.37 Caboose 1951 steel, scale drwg(reprnt from SF 1951 model plan book) says wood running boards. _Caboose Cars_ p.19 Caboose 1951, both sides, ACF bldrs photo 1930 Warbonnet 1Q99 p.10 Caboose #1962 prize model Warbonnet 3Q02 p.8 Caboose #1978 prize model Warbonnet 3Q02 p.8 series 1979-2000 blt 1931 ACF steel caboose N model: Atlas, Trix & ModelPower 5+3 generally conforming. Caboose 2000, 1961,"Santa Fe Paint & Letter" p.48 Caboose 2000 steel _Caboose Cars_ p.18 series 2001-2200 blt 1942 ATSF steel caboose N model: Atlas, Trix & ModelPower 5+3 generally conforming. Caboose 2001-2200 interiors _Caboose Cars_ p.20,21 Caboose 2018 in Albuquerque, NMex. city park (no pix) included in list of surviving ATSF steel cabooses Warbonnet 1Q99 p.17 Caboose 2028, at San Diego, 1973 color pix, Warbonnet 1Q99 p.19 Caboose 2033, pix 1952 at Cajon Pass, Warbonnet 1Q99 p.12 Caboose 2036 end view _Caboose Cars_ p.18 caboose 2053 roof view, shows radial roof, wood running boards _SFMA High Iron_ JulyAug71 p.22 caboose # 2065 prize model, Warbonnet 3Q-2009 p. 36 Caboose 2074, 1955 pix at Frost, Cal in tank train Warbonnet 1Q99 p.7 Caboose 2083, roof view, wood roofwalk 1971 pix _Caboose Cars_ p.18 Caboose 2102, 1950 pix cupola rooftop w wagonwheel antenna Warbonnet 1Q99 p.16 Caboose 2104R, color pix from end, Warbonnet 1Q99 p.1 Caboose 2107R w flat plate antenna on cupola, 1961 color pix Warbonnet 4Q97 p.1 Caboose 2116R, at Clovis w wigwags removed, 1964 color pix, Warbonnet 1Q99 p.19 Caboose 2118 at Lampe Mo, Caboose Jct Resort (no pix) included in list of surviving ATSF steel cabooses Warbonnet 1Q99 p.17 Caboose 2123, w 30" wigwat signal, square roof vent Warbonnet 1Q99 p.15 caboose #2123 w wigwag signal, rear view Warbonnet 3Q 05 p.3 Caboose 2158-R steel, mineral brown, black roof, wood running boards hgh-angle, mid-distance shot. _Santa Fe 1940-1971 in color_ p.111 ATSF caboose 2164, “safety” paint scheme, detailing HO: smokejack braces, toolboxes Railroad Model Craftsman July04 p.58 Caboose 2166 pix,"Santa Fe Paint & Letter" p.44 caboose 2180R, 1957 color pix, Warbonnet 1Q99 p.18 Caboose 2185 steel _Caboose Cars_ p.17 Caboose 2186 w 30" wigwag signal, Warbonnet 1Q99 p.15 caboose 2186 HO prize model by Sperandeo Warbonnet 3Q-2007 p.34 Caboose 2189-R, pix after 1958 repainting "Santa Fe Paint & Letter" p.46 Caboose 2191 1950 pix Warbonnet 3Q 97 p.18 series 2201-2300 blt 1949 ATSF steel caboose series 2201 similar to 500 kitbash in HO using Athearn caboose & roofs from boxcars _SFMA High Iron_ JulyAug71 p.7 N model: Atlas, Trix & ModelPower 5+3 window caboose with extensive kitbash using boxcar body for peaked roof series 2201-2300 interiors, _Caboose Cars_ p. 23 caboose ex-2201 as 999949 steel 1977 pix not yet modernized, _Caboose Cars_ p.77 Caboose 2206R pix after 1960, Warbonnet 1Q99 p.13 Caboose 2218, 1966 color pix, Warbonnet 1Q99 p.18 Caboose 2219-R steel, roof view w steel roofwalk _Caboose Cars_ p.22 caboose 2219-R both sides & roof view, shows peaked roof, metal running bds. _SFMA High Iron_ JulyAug71 p.22 Caboose 2224 CE-5, modernized. 1976 pix, _ATSF Color Guide to Frt & Psgr Eqpt_ p.110 Caboose 2232, 1950 pix at Wooton, Colo, stock pens in background Warbonnet 1Q99 p.7 Caboose #2236 w wig-wag _Santa Fe in the Lone Star State_ vol.1 p.36 Caboose 2243. CE-1, some windows plated over obut not modernized 1976 pix, _ATSF Color Guide to Frt & Psgr Eqpt_ p.109 caboose 2263R steel, scale drwg, _Caboose Cars_ p.25 caboose 2265 w wigwag prize model Warbonnet 3Q-2008 p.26 Caboose 2268-R steel, local service _Caboose Cars_ p.22 caboose 2273 steel, 1949 pix w hiball signal, _Caboose Cars_ p.25 Caboose 2278R at Hamlin TX, on Reynolds Ranch (no pix) included in list of surviving ATSF steel cabooses Warbonnet 1Q99 p.17 Caboose 2282R, at Fort Worth, 1964 color pix, Warbonnet 1Q99 p.19
Kenneth, I know that took time. Compiling all this resource information and sharing it here. What a gift!
If I'm not mistaken, the old standby Atlas cupola caboose (this is a 2006 run) is based on a ATSF prototype? Atlas N Cupola Caboose While not spot-on, it could be a stand-in, and certainly could be detailed further? Should be easy to find, as these Santa Fe mineral brown cabooses were run by Atlas in September 2003, November 2004, and March 2006.
Here's a nice laser-cut wood kit from American Model Builders: Kit No. 865 - Santa Fe Caboose American Car & Foundry delivered 150 of these wood cabooses to the AT&SF Railroad in 1923. The 28' 11" long waycar became a common site all over the Santa Fe system and a few even survived into the 1960's. The HO scale rendition features a full carbody width toolbox, truss rods, laser-cut ladders, special handrail bending jig, screen doors/windows, and cupola sunshades... - MSRP... $46.95 See it at AMB Home Page
