Good to see your still around Grant. I def. would buy a bunch of these "kits",would that include the B as well? Would have thought IM would take these on......
That would be great Grant!! Now if I can just finish my SD50F and SD60F's! Also walthers has no plans to rerun the GP60. That was in my email when I asked if they were doing a rerun. What about asking FVM? Their ES44AC is excellent. dave t
Any new model that hasn't been made before would be great. The GE U33/36C is one I would like to see made, but just like the GP60 only a few railroads had them.
GP60M Solid Model Sneek Peek I've been working on this drawing lately as a possible conversion for the LL GP60. I currently have four GP60Bs (two for me, two for JDG) under construction and would definitely love some Ms to go with. I personally want an A-B-B-A set for myself, well, I suppose M-B-B-M would be more appropriate! Anyhow, lots more work to be done on the drawings Donnell PS - These are drawn in N-scale
I don't even model newer stuff, but would LOVE a set of these!! I'll get on that emailing kick too! I noticed there's an article re: this in the newest N scale magazine issue too!
I wonder if anyone saw the letter I sent about the GP-60M & B in the newest issue of N Scale Magazine, I believe on the top of page 7. We need to get people active on this campaign. Keep the phone calls, letters, e-mails going to all the manufacturers. I bet if I were to ask, how many people have actually sent more than one request, to more than one manufacturer, the answer would be very few. As long as there is no enthusiasm, then it will never get done. We need to really turn up the pressure on the manufacturers, that means everyone should be sending requests every week, can we DO IT ????? Come on guys, lets get this campaign going. fatalxsunrider43
May I suggest that you put your money where your mouth is. Sign up and commit to buy these things then call the manufacturers and tell them you want X number and have committed orders. Another suggestion would be to use SP9800's drawings and get shells made from one of the many rapid prototyping companies out there now. The biggest thing you need is actual dollars, not just promises to buy. Find out from these companies how many you would need to sell to get them to make it. If someone would provide them with the solidworks drawings AND give them the copyrights to it, they may go for it.
I like the images of the Cab that SP9800 shared with us. I was very happy to get such a FRIENDLY response from Pamela at N scale Magazine. I want to give a BIG thank you to all who have helped with this cause. Now........I am more than willing to pay for up front for my order of 2 M's & 2 B's, ok, so that is putting my money where my MOUTH is, now, Dan, buddy ! can I put you on the list as well ? and anyone else who'd be willing to put money up front ? I know I am not the only one wanting these, so I would think that it would be the same with others , they'd be willing to order up front. I have put alot of effort into contacting manufacturers, and that continues, as well, I have spread the word to as many people as possible, all that I have delt with for an N scale transaction, I believe that I am going about this with as much enthusiasm as can be. Now, if anyone wants to let me know what I am doing WRONG, then go ahead and lay it on me. I thought this would hopefully unify us Santa Fe Geep 60 guys with a common want and cause, but we'll have to see where this thing ends up. Oh well, I am not going to stop rallying for these, even if I end up doing it alone. fatalxsunrider43
I'm very confused by this thread. the JnJ shell exists. All you need is an airbrush, some decals and a Life Like GP60 or Atlas GP40 frame and you have your GP60M. Heck, if you could find one, I bet the Kato GP50 frame would work as well. Why exactly do you need to do rapid prototyping...of the shell? It seems like it would be more profitable to develop a frame for use with the existing shell. They don't have a B, so that might be worth looking in to. Also, Athearn makes an HO 60M, they might be a more logical choice to bug as they might be inclined to make an N scale version.
Hi John, Thats the plan. I've already talked with a gentleman about printing a couple of these up for me. If all goes well, one of them could possibly be used as a master to create resin castings. I'd rather not draw a whole shell as these drawings are fairly time consuming, especially when you aren't getting paid to do them! I've never done anything like this before, but it is becoming more common that modelers are filling there own needs rather than waiting on a manufacturer to produce what they want. Donnell PS - Here are screen shots of the finished (at least for now) drawing complete with locating dimple for comercially available grabirons. Othe parts that are already available include cabshades and antennas. Window would be laser-cut. Also, I am very open to any helpful suggestions
1. The JnJ shell is okay, but a much better one, with better detail can be done! 2. Shell - I would just be doing the cab. If no more LL GP60 were available anywhere and demand was high enough I would highly consider doing the body as well. Rapid prototyping will let you see any preproduction errors as well as allow you to detemine the fit of the new part(s). 3. Frame - As stated above, the unavailabilty of the LL unit, along with demand, would determine this. Keep in mind that a GP40 and GP60 was different truck centers, which are distinguishable, even in N-scale! 4. B-unit - Personally, the b-unit would justify drawing the body regardless of demand or availability. Time, is the issue. In any event, from the cab area back, the body of the M and B are virtually identical except for the hand brake and dynamic brake location. Obviously two different D/B hatches would have to be drawn. 5. Athearn GP60M - Athearn's offering is the revamped Rail Power Products shell. An N-scale GP60M would require them to create a whole new proposal for this project since everything that they currently have is based on an inherited HO-scale project. Donnell
Athearn's N scale diesel lineup is limited, but they are all units that the company has also done in HO...or gotten from RPP and done in HO. My point was that they see a value in having it in their product line. Doing an N-scale version would obviously cost them more treasure than redoing the RPP shell was, but if they saw value in doing in HO, they might be easier to convince in N compared to Atlas or Kato which haven't done it in either scale. I guess my point with the JnJ shells wasn't that a better one couldn't be done. Rather that I'm not sure I understand the urgency given that an option already exists. I just saw a few posts in a link to the JnJ site and a few more posts in a link to using those shells and they seemed ignored so I was confused. You should just ignore me though, I've been feeling punchy today. tongue:
Atlas O GP60M and GP60B No offense taken at all. Also, Atlas has done the GP60M and GP60B in O scale back in 2005, and as late as 2008. ATLAS O¤GP-60 Locomotive Honestly, they would be the logical choice since all of the engineering drawings and research is already done ... Donnell
I have made 2 GP-60M's Kato & Bachmann, I have 2 Overland GP-60M's Santa Fe & BNSF, still do not have a "B" Unit. A production GP-60M & B Set by the likes of especially KATO or ATLAS or any of the others would have a certain crispness to it, I am sure there are folks that could bash one extra fine, and I am looking forward to one, but I still think that a production model would best overall and affordable. It would be a model that would satisfy a place in the market. They made it in H.O., so there is no reason why they should not do it in "N" scale. fatalxsunrider43
I was going to suggest someone making a photoetched brass "kit" like those made by traincat, but thinking about getting all the bends uniform and the complicatedness of the angles that it might be a lost cause on that route. I still think Atlas' job on the warbonnet scheme is by far the crispest and closest to the prototype that any other manufacturers version. I still surprised they aren't willing to tackle this.
