Laying woodland scenics turf.

Patrickdelaney17 Mar 15, 2013

  1. Patrickdelaney17

    Patrickdelaney17 TrainBoard Member

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    I'm going to lay down some woodland scenics turf and would like to know where to start. What's the mix of glue to use and what order should I go in? I have some tite bond all purpose white glue. Will that work?
     
  2. mtntrainman

    mtntrainman TrainBoard Supporter

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    I use a 50/50 mix of elmers white glue and water
     
  3. David K. Smith

    David K. Smith TrainBoard Supporter

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    Same here. I use a disposable brush to apply the glue mix to the scenery base, sprinkle on turf, wait until dry, then vacuum up the excess. Apply the glue to an area about the size of the palm of your hand, then sprinkle on the turf. By going much larger, you run the risk of the glue being too dry to bond with the foam, especially if the scenery base is a plaster-like material--it will soak up glue like a sponge.

    You can build up layers of different shades of turf for variety. If subsequent layers are applied a little unevenly, it will add to the realism. Wait for each layer to dry thoroughly before applying more; otherwise, you'll peel off the layer underneath with the brush.
     
  4. Arctic Train

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    I like to kill 2. Birds with one stone. Instead of using glue to attach the grass, I use a dirt colored latex paint. Apply a liberal coat of paint to the area to be turfed and sprinkle grass on. After the paint dries vaccume up the loose stuff. What David says re. Applying to plaster surfaces, dont paint too big an area as the plaster sucks the water out of the paint in a hurry. I mix at least 2 different colors of turf together to give the grass some character, but also apply single colors in patches to give more variation.


    Brian
     
  5. Mike C

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    I do it a bit differently. After I paint the ground color (browinsh) , I let that dry then paint on full streingth white glue. Then I sift the ground foam over that. Once I get a couple square feet done , Then I use a 30% solution of white glue and wet water over top. Get it good and soaked. ( yep it will look like you messed it up, but don't worry ) While its wet I will also add some static grass in a random patchy way. This will add some depth and variation to the foam turf. Gluing it twice like this it ain't gonna come off........Mike
     
  6. Patrickdelaney17

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    So will any white glue work and by fifty fifty, like 1/4 cup of glue 1/4 cup of water?
     
  7. maxairedale

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    Stay away from the "Washable School Glue." It is designed to dissolve and wash away with water.
     
  8. Patrickdelaney17

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    It's made by tite bond and says all purpose glue. I'll check to see if it's water soluble. Thank you guys for the help.
     
  9. David K. Smith

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    All you need is good old Elmer's Glue-All (the white stuff). Cheap and readily available--as they say, can't swing a dead cat without hitting some.

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  10. NCDaveD

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    Agree w/glue

    Yep, use good old white glue, 50/50 w/wet water. Only difference is I buy it by the gallon. Now on 3rd gallon as I use it for a LOT of model railroading scenery. I have used both Elmers and Titebond, one does not stand out over the other. Purchased at Lowe's for about $12.

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  11. Patrickdelaney17

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    Wet water is water with detergent correct? What is the mix and when do I use it? I guess I'm just confused on the process. I have my bench work painted. I'm just a little lost having never done this before.
     
  12. HOexplorer

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    Wet water is simply a drop of Joy or other dishwashing soap per pint is how I do it.
     
  13. Patrickdelaney17

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    So do you put the wet water down first then glue then the turf?
     
  14. HOexplorer

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    No. Put the drop of Joy in with the already watered down glue, then put it on the layout and add your scenery bits.
     
  15. Patrickdelaney17

    Patrickdelaney17 TrainBoard Member

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    Thank you very much, I'll be able to start today
     
  16. Gerry M

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    I think you have the general idea from the comments above.

    Here's my procedure:

    1. Spray an area about 6x6 inches with water to get the area wet.
    2. Sprinkle the darkest turf color on first.
    3. Give it a couple of more sprays with water to wet the turf.
    4. Apply a 50/50 white glue water mixture. I have mine in a plastic bottle with a long, thin pouring top. A spray bottle also works.
    5. Let dry.
    6. Repeat with the next lightest color.

    One of the artist rules I go by is to always have 2 or 3 colors on one area. Only one color makes for a too flat look (in my opinion).

    Good luck and don't be afraid to experiment. You can always scrape it off and go again...
     
  17. David K. Smith

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    You can use detergent, or you can also use rubbing alcohol. However, I have not found a need for "wet" water when applying ground covers; I only use it to ballast track, which is a whole different topic altogether.
     

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