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Discussion in 'N Scale' started by okane, Nov 22, 2006.

  1. okane

    okane TrainBoard Member TrainBoard Supporter

    Would any one be able to inform me if Amtrak operate equipment from Buffalo N.Y to Toronto, or is it CN. If they do operate equipment what equipment would typically be used.
     
  2. Hytec

    Hytec TrainBoard Member TrainBoard Supporter

  3. okane

    okane TrainBoard Member TrainBoard Supporter

    Hank

    I guess I should rephrase the question. I know the service operates between Washington and Toronto. I understand that CN crews operate the equipment between the USA/Canada border and Toronto. What I was trying to figure out is it Amtrak equipment that the CN crews operate or do all the passengers switch to a VIA equipment
     
  4. Hytec

    Hytec TrainBoard Member TrainBoard Supporter

    Owen, The timetable makes no mention of an equipment change for passengers at either Niagara Falls, NY or Niagara Falls, ON. There is a scheduled delay for Customs & Immigration at NF, ON northbound and NF, NY southbound. However, I doubt if an equipment change would be made at those locations because the passengers would have to move across the platform between trains. Access to the platform would allow "illegals" to run from the Feds and into one or the other country.

    On this same topic, when CP was running a train through northern Maine between Montreal and Halifax, US Border Patrol agents would board the train as it entered the US from Canada. The agents then would lock all doors and stand in each vestibule with weapons drawn. At the opposite border, the agents would unlock the doors and depart. My point is that with this level of paranoia within the US Border Patrol, I doubt if Maple Leaf passengers would be allowed off the train in either NF, NY or NF, ON.

    BTW, when I was in Montreal in 1995, my hotel room was directly above the south entrance to Gare Central. I remember seeing at least one Amtrak train entering the station, so as of eleven years ago, Amtrak equipment was running the distance.
     
  5. okane

    okane TrainBoard Member TrainBoard Supporter

    Thanks Hank, okay that makes sense, Amtrak right into Toronto's Union Station.
     
  6. Craig Tyska

    Craig Tyska TrainBoard Member

    I have to ask my dad. He runs from SYR. to NF.
     
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  7. Hytec

    Hytec TrainBoard Member TrainBoard Supporter

    That would be great to have facts, instead of my conjectures.

    Craig, where does the Maple Leaf cross the Niagara River? I've visited the Falls area a couple of times, but don't remember seeing a railroad bridge, or a even station for that matter.....:embarassed:
     
  8. Krasny Strela

    Krasny Strela TrainBoard Member

    Once in a while I spot a string of Amfleets in Union Station in the morning. They usually hang out aroud track 10 or 11, but due to the recent construction things have been getting shuffled around.
     
  9. Hytec

    Hytec TrainBoard Member TrainBoard Supporter

    Thanks Krasny, it makes sense that Amtrak equipment would run the distance, rather than being parked at the border waiting for VIA's return trip from Toronto.
     
  10. okane

    okane TrainBoard Member TrainBoard Supporter

    Krasny Hank

    Thanks for helping out with that. I wanted to incorporate Amtrak into my modeling plans and with Amtrak equipment coming into Union Station that makes this plausible. I will need to head down to union station to see what the train is made up of.
     
  11. wiking

    wiking TrainBoard Member TrainBoard Supporter

    I have ridden this one and they use amfleet cars. along with a Amtrak engine. Nice ride specialy when you go over the niagra river.
     
  12. okane

    okane TrainBoard Member TrainBoard Supporter

    Would any one know if any manufacturer produced the amfleet cars in n-scale?
     
  13. wiking

    wiking TrainBoard Member TrainBoard Supporter

    Owen,
    Bachman makes them. They are coming out with some new ones.

    Alan
     
  14. Hytec

    Hytec TrainBoard Member TrainBoard Supporter

    Kato produces F40PH locos that will complement the Bachmann cars nicely.
     
  15. Glenn Woodle

    Glenn Woodle TrainBoard Member

    When the International Limited ran Chicago-Port Huron-Toronto, some Via F40's were also used. Via/Amtrak may have some sort of HP arrangement on the international trains? If the Via units have the proper signal setup, it may be possible for them to run to NYC?

    For some years, it seems US border agents were unable to service the passengers on the train. So passengers were forced to get off, ride a bus over the bridge & Customs, then reboard the train on the other side.
    now, you have to get a cabbie & pay bridge toll to get from Detroit over to Windsor. Meanwhile, the train was clear to go thru the tunnel.
     
  16. okane

    okane TrainBoard Member TrainBoard Supporter

    Much appreciated response. I ordered a small amtrack 3 coach and a cafe with the Kato engine
     
  17. Big Al

    Big Al TrainBoard Member

    Current Amtrak equipment from NYC runs all the way into Canada to both Toronto and Montreal. The US Amtrak crews also operate into Montreal for sure and maybe into Toronto. If there is a crew change at Niagara Falls it would be between VIA and Amtrak crews, CN no longer is in the passenger business.
     
  18. Craig Tyska

    Craig Tyska TrainBoard Member

    Sorry 4 the slow reply!! Train 63 and 64 has a P32-dm 3 to 4 amfleet cars and a cafie car. What kind of Kato engine did you get.
     
  19. okane

    okane TrainBoard Member TrainBoard Supporter

    I did not order the engine "YET", have not got a chance to get downtown to see what the motive power is. What would you recommend Craig?
     
  20. Craig Tyska

    Craig Tyska TrainBoard Member

    What time .......
     

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