I dunno. I suspect the waters are murkier than they seem in trademark world. That's just what I remembered (the trademark issue), and I could easily be mistaken. To bring it back on topic, I wonder if there's any similar trademark wars going on between the locomotive folks... probably not so much, except where mergers and spinoffs might have clouded things up...
I know with railroad cars there can be. Such as ATSF's Fuel Foiler, which when built for others became the Impack car.
Moving Topic from N Scale to More Than Trains Since this topic is not "N Scale" related, I will move it to the More Than Trains forum. :tb-nerd: :tb-nerd: :tb-nerd: :tb-nerd:
I dont think any part of it is silly, size has nothing to do with something having a name. I am not comparing locomotives to airplanes, just stating that vehicles of different types have names, THATS ALL. Lets keep this topic fun, not get it going confrontational. fatalxsunrider43
I don't know that it's any sillier than talking about Pentium chips. Why don't we keep the thread fun and keep the ideas flowing and not try to stifle others? :thumbs_up::thumbs_up:
Someone correct me, but my understanding on steam naming eas that the first railroad to order a new wheel arrangement, or at least the first in bulk, got to name it. IE, Santa Fe ordered 2-10-2s, so they got the option to name it after themselves. (And then SP went for the Decs) So while the manufacturers used the wheel arrangement, the nameswere put on by them. Sorta. Also of question then, the 4-8-4 isd typically a Northern. C&O (A southern railroad) rejected havijng a "Northern" and called them Greenbriars. But how did NYC end up with the Niagra?
I didn't mean to make it serious, I just think that comparing a huge commercial mass produced locomotive to a small often private consumer private jet practices and then saying "look, Airplane makers name their models" is a bit unfair. GE and EMD don't really compare to Cessna. They compare to Boeing. That's all I'm sayin. Not trying to start a fight or nuthin.
Possibly because the NYC's Water Level Route (on which the 4-8-4 was used) went through Niagara Falls...
Acela: I think it refers to the "train set", (locos and cars). AEM-7 "Meatballs" in the Boston area because parts are made in Sweden. "Toasters" in the New York area because they had issues with over heating and the general shape of them. "AEM-7" in the Washington DC area because it is politically correct.
On the BNSF we referred to any locomotive in the orange/green paint scheme as a "punkin". All motive power was unilaterally referred to as *&^%%$*! Many old heads referred to commuter trains as "streetcars". Generally they were called "dinkies" At United Airlines, we called the 737s "guppies". Charlie
I assume those were the old 737-100s and 200s that were super tiny. Nice to know that pumpkin(or punkin) didn't come from railfans
We had a long discussion on the Santa Fe Warbonnet a month or 2 ago. On the Santa Fe, to the real employees, Warbonnet refers to The passenger scheme, the Yellow and Blue scheme and the Superfleet scheme. They also used Yellow Bonnet And Blue Bonnet for the F7s that had odd paint in the early 70s. And there were some divisions that called the Yellow and Blue war bonnets cub scouts. All the other names for those schemes. Especially the Yellow and Blue War Bonnets are made up by fans. A Warbonnet is a warbonnet is a warbonnet. They don't distinguish Super Fleet. It's a warbonnet. They don't distinguish Yellow and Blue versus Red and Silver. It's a Warbonnet. Of course, that's still referring to a Paint scheme. Not a class of locomotive.
Okay, that's a "Duh" moment. So they just prefferred to be different then everyone else and name it after a landmark then?
On the Frisco, the E7s and E8s painted in the "racehorse" scheme were also called "Redbirds" due to their color (One could successfully argue they were also named in honor of the St. Louis Cardinals, and the Cards fans will lead that charge). I have also heard of ALco RS2s and RS3s remotored with an EMD 16-567 prime mover and given a GP9-like long hood as "morphodites". One could also use this name for any EMD-repowered locomotive. One DL109 on the Rock Island got the name "Christine", after the tennis player who got, er, "replumbed" in Sweden. For steam, a 4-8-4 was not necessarily a Northern. On the DLW they were "Poconos" and on the NC&StL they were "Dixies" (it's that Southern pride thing, y'see). In a book by Don Ball he relates a story of riding an Alco helper set up & around Horseshoe Curve on the Pennsy. The Alcos replaced Baldwin Centipedes (no named for their wheel arrangement), which were, to be kind, prone to malfunctions. They also got the nickname "Throckmortons" from some engine crews. When UP was in the process of getting boatloads (trainloads?) of SD40-2s, they acquired a number of these beasts that were regeared for higher speeds (for hotshot piggyback service) and numbered in the 8000 series. I'm not sure about this, but I thought UP's PR department nicknamed them "Fast Forties". But it coulda been railfans.....
BTW- when Amtrak's P42s first came out, so did the nickname "Winnebago", in reference to their resemblance to an RV.
