Hum, Didn't do that but took paint easy. Maybe i got lucky?? For a change? That don't happen often but i do give them a bath in alcohol 90 %. Takes the grease off but don't know about the wax. Using Testors Liquid cement. no issues....so far
I don't know about that. 90% alcohol does a lot more than whatever they use for first-aid 70%. I found that out a few times with something else i was working on. I accidentally drank some and you talk about WHOOO!! That was nasty. I got lucky that i got it out of my Mouth!! I have the rigging almost done now. It looks good! Nice fitting and easy to make was well. Dan
Very nice looking layout, Shapeways certainly is a bit of a game changer as far as limited run detail parts and models are concerned. Since becoming a member of the lumber industry myself I've been tempted to do a logging layout, probably based on Teddy Collins Salmon Creek and the Tionesta Valley (I work in the Allegheny National Forest after all). But it's a long ways down the road, I need to get the B&P layout up and running and out of my system first.
I have one of those Barnharts. Fantastic demonstration of why 3D printing is so good. I scratchbuilt a Barnhart back in the 70's and even got an NMRA award for it, and as soon as I saw this one, I knew I'd been beaten. The steam cylinder and gear part is just incredible, the fit is impressive, and overall its as good as any kit I've ever seen. In this case, the somewhat 'rough' texture of 3D isn't a problem, these never looked new even when they were. Barnharts have a fixed boom. You need to secure the boom tip to the center top edges of the walls with what should be about .008 wire. Otherwise it couldn't work. http://www.pastforward.ca/perspectives/images/barnhart.jpg The one that's preserved in Galeton, PA at the Pennsylvania Logging Museum is the original 'lipstick on a pig' derivation, I don't think they ever looked this good even when right out of the factory. https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1156/3165120695_2b9befcfc0_z.jpg?zz=1 Note that you can see the boom support is a fixed rod, not a cable. There's some detail that can't be printed that can be added if you want. Your general sawmill/pond/boilerhouse configuration looks pretty good. I know what it's like to be space constrained. The only design glitch I see compared to "normal" practice is that every eastern mill usually cut on the second floor (which you have), and then used elevated trestles/tramways with push cars with a slight grade to roll the cut lumber down to drying stacks. Each trestle would pile to both sides. Then the railroad tracks would be in the center of that for reload to boxcars and outbound shipment. So cars would be loaded from the stacked lumber piles, not directly from the mill. I've got a good shot of that here on my web page: http://www.randgust.com/birdseye.jpg The logic behind that is elegant, you have gravity working for you all the way to sort and dry your inventory. You can then roll cars to whatever stack is to be shipped. I only bring this up because you don't have that track in place - yet. I don't think it's fair to discuss this if you were already past that part. And you're doing an accurate enough job I figure you care. I had to do a 'terrible' switchback on my own tram deck to pull that off, I'm sure no self-respecting mill would have ever actually done this, but this also might help: http://www.pbase.com/atsf_arizona/image/137618527 You'll see I'm equally 'squished' but I faked it the best I could. It 'looks like' that was the standard practice at Cass, but the photo I found is so small is neither proves nor disproves: http://www.patc.us/images/hist_12log.jpg Oh, and for Jeepy: Remember that one of the Collins-linked operations had a McGiffert, probably the only one in Northwest PA. Photos of it in the Casler books. Don't have it handy at the moment.
Not a Barnhart, but there is a (Slide) Jammer at the Fort Missoula Park Museum in Missoula, Montana. Excellent subject matter for some modeling.
just finished Showcase Miniatures narrow gage shay.runs great. they sell st, gage shay kit too. you need Z POWER PACK.
Randgust, I love that module. I don't have a two story sawmill. If i did I could do the tram on the tressle. I think you used Z scale track on the tram?I think i could do a tram maybe. But it would be on the ground. I also had the idea of a kiln dryer. Don't think i could fit it in. So i changed my mind. I like that tram!! I got to smoke this one over for awhile. I like it! Got to figure out how. Man i like your layout!! I can get the tram and platforms from Republic and looks like it would work but i am trying to figure out how to make a elevation. Its all on the ground floor. Will try and see how to do this one idea. Can't wait till you can make a 18 ton Climax! I understand the wait issues you told me. No rush but will have fun with the kato chassis, If it ever gets here.....
Near Galeton, PA at the PA Lumber Museum randgust referred to. I would've taken better pictures but it was pouring rain outside so I couldn't get further back. Kari had run to a different building thinking the Shay was the only machine in the engine house (it has a center wall), so I had to run to the tack shop to catch up with her. Sent from the magical mystery box
Well, Randgust Had me thinking about the tram and track. I went and ordered the tramway kit from Republic loco works. Man that thing is high priced!! 74 bucks including the postage. [QUOTE It 'looks like' that was the standard practice at Cass, but the photo I found is so small is neither proves nor disproves: http://www.patc.us/images/hist_12log.jpg Is that Cass or Spruce??
I've bought couplers and boxes from them, as stated, you need to clean the parts well. They have been around a while, in the latest issue of Model Railroader they used them for the front of a PRR station.
Probably too late to matter, but I scratchbuilt my entire mill from photos. The one that Republic sells (with all the goodies) is by far the most accurate kit you'll ever see though. I had to make jigs and templates as it is really nothing more than a long wood trestle with a flat deck on it. My 'tramways' are just HO 1x2's glued on edge on scribed basswood decks - prepainted rust-color. Made a plastic jig to hold gauge as they were glued down. Just has the illusion of metal rails on the deck and the pushcarts are just little basswood platforms with scraps of 2x2 for vertical posts. It's not Z. From what I could see, most trams were about 18" gauge, maybe 24". My fathers mill had all those tramways intact, and even a transfer table to move them from runway to runway, up until the 1970's. One thing I will mention as it isn't too late - you'll notice on the HV that all the 'mill parts - decks, trestles, junk' are weathered. The cut lumber on stacks, etc. is all raw wood. You really want that high contrast. I've become somewhat of a fan on the Micro-Mark tie and bridge stain - gray/brown - for my current work to get that weathered look. Jeepy: Casler's "Teddy Collin's Empire" book, page 949, has a full-page picture of the McGiffert loader and what looks to be about a 18-ton narrow-gauge Shay on the Watson Lands Lumber operation on Bobbs Creek. Casler makes comments on the prior page about how rare McGifferts were in Pennsylvania. Oh, by the way, Galeton is getting the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania Climax locomotive this year: http://www.bradfordera.com/news/article_de40e10c-661f-11e4-9a32-df094c10eb4d.html I love to see this eastern logging stuff happen as I pushed Alan Curtis - hard - and supplied him with data - to make the metal 25' log cars with the rails on top, before he sold the business. The loader fits perfectly. These cars, and a Barnhart, are the 'standard' eastern logging outfit. There was one outfit near Flagstaff that also had a Barnhart, and rails on flatcars to do it. I am still making the 13-ton and 18-ton Climax A kits. There are a lot of videos out on YouTube of these, just search for "Randgust". The big evolution on that kit is a solid recommendation to swap out the Kato motor and replace it with the tiny gearhead. You get excellent scale speed for geared steam in N.
Was thinking about that. Have to see how it fits yet. Its still somewhere between here and Japan....somewhere..... I bought i think 15 cars from Alan but he don't make them anymore. I forget the new company that i got them from 2 years ago. I also went and ordered the Kiln drier. I will have to kit bash to make it fit. Want it right beside the boiler house. I know i am crazy right?? But its only money. My wife likes the layout and helps out when she is needed. But she gets a bit bent out of shape when i order too much each year. I think i spent over 2000 this year. But that should keep me working till next fall and we get our next check. Debs family has a family business so we get dividend check each year. If i have to rely on the ssi i wouldn't even have a engine and track yet. Don't forget me this fall in October when you start building the 18 ton Climax. Still want it. I sure have been finding all kinds of little critters this year. The kato chassis just came in the mail today!!! Wohoo!! So thats here now. I have set back funds for the climax and the two shays that should come in the 1st quarter of next year. If...They don't make good on that. I think we will bring in a crew to boycott the company. They are making us very angry about the shays!! I know i am not alone. Later, Dan
I've been eyeing up the showcase miniatures shay, but those powermax bogies are always out of stock. Rangust, I lent my copy of Collins to my boss and field manager since they don't have a copy and I'm only on Wildcatting in the series thus far. I have this thread subscribed and will check out that loader when I get the book back. Also, the 18 ton Climax is still the Class A vertical boiler type right? I would love to find or build a Class B with the angled pistons someday, since they seemed to be the ultimate eastern logging locomotive. I preordered an Atlas Shay recently as others have mentioned. I assume the release date has been rolled a few times all ready from the vibes I get? Sent from the magical mystery box
Where are you guys finding the "up to date" dates? The list I can find on the Atlas site says third quarter this year? Which I guess is bunk because I got a refund on my preorder, lol. Sent from the magical mystery box Also, kind of want to apologize for hijacking the thread, though a Shay discussion is sorta relevant.
