ATSF Old Photos

r_i_straw Dec 5, 2011

  1. r_i_straw

    r_i_straw Mostly N Scale Staff Member

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    I assumed that the remainder of the train curved around to the right and out of sight behind the hill.
     
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  2. Hytec

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    EhYup, just an assumption, like ours of just a five car train with two hard working locomotives.

    However, I have a video of a 20 car Maine Central freight ascending the 18.5 mile 2.2% Crawford Notch, NH grade with two in front and one pushing. They are definitely barking.

    I have to try and upload the video. It has two segments, first the B&M Mountaineer from Boston North Station to Lancaster, NH, and the second of Maine Central's operations at, and out of the engine terminal in Bartlett, NH up over The Notch. I seem to remember that YouTube complained about its length. Maybe they've become lenient. ;)
     
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  3. Point353

    Point353 TrainBoard Member

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  4. acptulsa

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    Looks to me like a Mikado pushing a caboose. Don't know if it's a switching maneuver, or some lesser hill than Raton, or what.

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  5. mmi16

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    Saw a photo on here (but I can't find it now) of what was identified as the El Capitan with a single E1 and steam helper moving 5 lightweight cars up the grade. Note - the minimum continuous speed for the E1 would be about 30 MPH so a steam helper would be necessary to keep the E1 out of serious incursions into Short Time Ratings.
     
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  6. BoxcabE50

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    I wonder how many other cars are hidden back around that curve?
     
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  7. gjslsffan

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    I just wish people that post these images, would add the image info, if available. Some regular posters, are regularly deficient in this regard.
     
  8. BNSF FAN

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    March 20, 1908 Timetable. Not in the best of shape but super cool! Was a gift from a friend. It's so old I'm almost afraid to open it.
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    I know, not an old photo but still Old ATSF :D
     
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  9. mmi16

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    Many of the photos posted in this thread were taken long before the birth of those that are posting them. They are restricted to any information that the original photographer may have placed with the photo. Back in those days information beyond what was displayed in the photo was hard to come by, and many photographers were lazy in recording details - just like we are today.
     
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  10. r_i_straw

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    Thompsons, Texas in the early 1990s. Cheap print film in a crappy camera. But it was all I had with me and it was a new locomotive needing to be photographed.
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  11. Hardcoaler

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    Wow, that is exceptionally cool @BNSF FAN ! That's the same year that the Santa Fe opened the Belen Cutoff, turned over to the Operating Department on June 30, 1908. I wonder if there is evidence of the new route in your timetable?

    The Cutoff was first used 12/18/1907, but a recession brought an end to sourcing additional capital and an end to the building of depots, sidings, fencing and ballast spreading to make the line ready for full operation. (Information from History of the Atchison, Topeka & Santa Fe Railway by Keith L. Bryant, c. 1974.)
     
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  12. r_i_straw

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    San Diegan. Alcos #77 and #74. A few PAs had their grills replaced with Phar type after they were damaged. I know #60 also got replacement grills after a sideswipe accident.
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  13. r_i_straw

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    I just came across a detailed account of what really happened that day.
     
  14. mmi16

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    I don't dispute Santa Fe procedures, however, I know for a fact that the B&O Observation cars of that era were all equipped with a brake valve to be operated by the Conductor - B&O non-commuter trains all backed into Washington Union Station with the Conductor controlling the air and observing and complying with signal indications. When trains did not have a Observation car with the built in brake valve, the rear car was equipped with a back-up hose to perform the same function.
     
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  15. r_i_straw

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    The Cane Belt Railroad was chartered in Texas on March 10, 1898 by a group of businessmen from Eagle Lake. The short-line railroad was intended to bring the area's sugarcane to market. Two of the men signing the charter were president Captain William Dunovant and vice president William T. Eldridge. At first the railroad was profitable. But the next year the company began to suffer from uneven cash flow and construction debt. A dispute over management of the railroad between Dunovant and Eldridge proved fatal. On August 11, 1902, Dunovant boarded the San Antonio and Aransas Pass Railway at Simonton where he encountered Eldridge, who was already aboard the train. They immediately pulled out their revolvers and commenced to have a shoot out on the train. Dunovant was killed. Before Eldridge could be brought to trial, Dunovant's friends tried to exact revenge. On October 4, 1902, W.T. Cobb fired a shotgun blast at Eldridge but missed. Cobb was later acquitted. One of Dunovant's brothers-in-law, W. E. Calhoun fired a bullet through Eldridge's right lung from ambush but he survived. Eldridge was tried for Dunovant's murder in November 1904 but found not guilty based on his plea of self-defense. A few weeks later Eldridge found that Calhoun was a passenger on the same SA&AP train and another "old west" style shoot out resulted in Calhoun being killed. In January 1907 Eldridge was tried for Calhoun's murder and acquitted again. Eldridge left the area and became partners with Isaac Herbert Kempner who founded the Imperial Sugar Company at Sugar Land. Amid all this turmoil, the Cane Belt Railroad came close to bankruptcy. On November 11, 1903, the Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe bought the railroad. On April 11, 1905, the Texas Legislature passed a law allowing the Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to lease or sell the Cane Belt Railroad to its subsidiary, the Gulf, Colorado and Santa Fe. That railroad agreed to lease the Cane Belt on July 1, 1905. It was folded into the GC&SF and then the ATSF. Most of the rail was abandoned by the Santa Fe in the 1990s and by the BNSF in 2004.

    Cane Belt locomotive #3 at Houston in 1905. Courtesy Ken E. Stavinoha Collection.
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  16. dualgauge

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    That would make a good movie. Times sure were different then.
     
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  17. Point353

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  18. Kurt Moose

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    Is this recent? Maybe at a museum?
     
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  19. Point353

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    Only if you consider the year 1978 to be "recent".
     
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  20. r_i_straw

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    Heavy weight diner painted up for war bond promotion. An early shadow line paint effect. Solid dark stripes instead of the later versions with a "hard" edge on top feathering out below. Los Angeles Public Library Photo Collection.
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