Does any manufacturer currently make an EL E8 A+B set? Both of them being powered I hope? Does any one know where I might be able to obtain one brand new? I did search some of the vendors from trainboard but could not find one. If no one makes one currently and there are none to be had that are from previous runs I would like to make a small, humble, suggestion. Suggestion to Atlas or Kato please start making one. Please release an E8 EL locomotive in the (grey, maroon, yellow) paint scheme. Or for that matter in all models of locomotives. I will take an SD9 or maybe it was SD7, I am planning on taking an RS-3, need an E8 A+B, want an SD45 and several others. Just build them and I will buy them. I do not particularly care for the Black and Yellow paint scheme. Some people might but that is just my opinion. I realize they will never hear me but seriously some of us are not that great at painting undecorated locomotives and would like to see more EL locos in (grey, maroon, yellow) being released for N-Scale. Thank you, Mr X
As a matter of fact you are correct. I got to typing to fast and did not overly look at it...:embarassed: E-8As were all they ran. Still does any one know where I perchance find one or if they ever have manufactured an E-8A in the Erie Lackawanna paint scheme? I think I have seen them before. Mr X
LifeLike makes/made them. They are excellent runners. Try www.blwnscale.com or Ebay. The newer one is the 2 tone green. The older one was grey I believe. Russ
Here are 2 links to 2 Ebay auctions, each featuring the 2 styles Lifelike made: http://cgi.ebay.com/N-Scale-Life-Li...ryZ19125QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem http://cgi.ebay.com/ERIE-E8-LOCOMOT...ryZ19125QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem Russ
Mr X, No one has as of yet made Erie Lackawanna E8s in N-Scale. The Life Like are DL&W, but could be made EL early post merger by adding decals from Micro-Scale. The Life like are good runners and pullers, but the nose/headlight area is not correct. Bugs me, but not everyone. Occasionally, custom paints on Kato E8s come up on ebay. I custom painted one and purchased one to give me a AA set. I have two in the paint shop now for DL&W for a pre-merger Phoebe. The Micro-Scale Decal sets actually make this paint job easy. The yellow nose and the Maroon stripes are decals. The undec grey is really pretty close to the EL grey. I brush painted the roof black, applied the decals and gave it a coat of Dullcoat from a rattle can. I do have to agree with your wish for Kato to do them in EL, Maybe with a second wish of doing a passenger set!!! I'm sure they will, right after I finish painting my E8s and finish my passenger cars!!
Greg Earlier, I jumped out on eBay - had my credit card ready and said wait a second - that is a Lackawanna and the other one is an Erie. Then I thought - why can't I buy both and crush them together! HA-HA. Any way the thought did cross my mind about repainting and changing/adding some decals but I am unsure if I really need it that bad. Or maybe it is simply that I do not want to spend a fortune only to potentially ruin it and then spend another fortune sending it off to be repainted. I wanted to say that is a very nice looking model you have in your picture. You are probably right the custom paint jobs and decal changes must have been what I seeing occasionally. Oh Well... Where is that crying smiley when you need it? I appreciate the suggestions from every one. I will consider it. I just wish they would make more stuff in Erie Lackawanna period. Seems like Erie Lackawanna fans must be hidden in the woodwork or something. You never really hear too much about us - but when there is a new release of anything with (Gray - Yellow – Maroon) it seems like it is sold out before it hits the stores. Mr X
We (Atlas) have done a bunch of stuff in EL, mostly in G/M/Y but some in B/Y. Off the top of my head, there have been RS3, GP35, Train Master, GP7, GP7TT, H15-44 (in fact the one unit painted GMY has just been shipped). Kato has done SD45 and PA. Life Like did the SW8 or 9 and I think the C424. A long time ago, Arnold/Walthers did S2s. Intermountain is doing SD45-2s with the correct body/fuel tank, and I believe has done F7s or FTs. About the only common power that hasn't been done is the U33/36C and the SDP45 (which I doubt will show up in plastic).
Paul, I do appreciate the feed back and the stuff that you (Atlas) have done in the past since I already own most of it. :thumbs_up: I truly love Atlas and most of my 150 plus pieces of rolling stock are made by Atlas. Sorry to have seemed like I was ranting here but I would really like to see you guys make a E-8 A-A set or a single E-8 for that matter. With the quality that Atlas normally does I would be willing to pay up to or around $199 for the set or $129 for an individual. But of course I am not a pricing expert - I am just saying what one consumer is requesting and would be willing to spend for an excellent running engine. Just an idea... Paul you may or may not be able to answer this next question due to business reasons and I completely understand. Are the manufacturers such as Atlas going to a business model of taking pre-orders only? What I mean is that 'they' have come up with a formula that says we get x amount of pre-orders for a certain time period so they think demand is not really there but we need to fill the pre-orders. Then we will make x + a percentage extra to cover the little bit extra demand. It is not overly a bad model I guess, BUT here is the main draw back that I see: Not everyone has an internet connection - not everyone likes to shop online - not everyone wants to buy a locomotive site unseen - product photos are similar to photographs of people, sometimes you can take a picture of someone and it turns out very well and two seconds later they look totally different, what I am getting at is that perchance maybe some of the locomotive pictures have not turned out well in the past so I did not buy them. Also if we get to see them in real life we get to say 'gee that looks nothing like the picture' which I recently did on one of your locomotives. Also other people do not want to buy a locomotive with out first running it and seeing what the weight of it is. Not knocking any other competitor or any manufacturer because I have certainly not tried them all. But I decided a long time ago that Kato and Atlas were going to be pretty much it for locomotive power going forward. It is kind of like ordering chocolate ice cream the first time and really liking it. And it is the only ice cream you want going forward although you have tried a couple of other ice creams you always come back to chocolate. Make sense? H24-66 Trainmaster ... would have loved to see it in real life GP7 "Torpedo Tube" - do not know how I missed this one...really wanted it though - if you have any in the vintage cellar that you have not released let me know via private message GP35 - do not own it but it looks like the U25b U25b - own it - looks really cool, runs really great by it's self, but it just does not pull up and down grades on the N-109 with a good length of cars behind it. H16-44 - just could not get past the product pictures - not sure weather or not it was even done in the G-Y-M paint though RS-3 - like it! LOVE IT! I would order all three road numbers if I needed three of them. I still might get two though. Missed the SD-45 from Kato, (never saw it) Missed the PA from Kato, (procrastination) got two sets of the F7s A+B from Kato, got PA1+B from Con-cor, not half bad after a little issue that was easily fixed. Have the SW8 or 9 from Life-Like, never tried the C424/425 from Life-Like Walthers Proto 2000. (Just unsure) Any way if you would please throw it around the water cooler. Please consider an E-8A or E8A+A set... New releases of any thing off this list would be appreciated though: http://gelwood.railfan.net/el/loco/loco.html I will continue to purchase Atlas - most likely forever unless something drastic happens. Per chance it is my local hobby shop not ordering the 'right stuff" for me, perhaps it is like some one else said "An Erie Lackawanna fan in Texas???" Any way thank you for the feed back. Two customers right here that said we would get an E8 - who knows it maybe worth a water cooler discussion? All the best to you and Atlas! Mr X Looking back I realize - gosh this response was loooonnngg - sorry.
Mr X< I agree also, we need E8s done by Kato. I also have a custom painted one from that unmentioned auction site. I would love to also see passenger cars done in EL. I recently purchased the newer run of Lifelike E8s in Erie. This run has a much better paint job and the newer split frame design. The Lackawanna units have not been redone with the newer frames. Wait, because I am sure Walthers will redo them as well. There is nothing wrong with running Erie and or Lackawanna diesels with your EL power. I have plent of pictures showing that is what the EL did. They were also known for running mutt lashups (mixed types of diesels). Paul, if I may step in...... This is what Atlas has done in EL (G/Y/M) RS3 (4 total #s) (3 of these are due soon) U25B (3) GP35 (4) TM (2) FM (1 new and beautiful) GP7 (2) GP7 TT (2) Kato F7 A/B (4) PA1 (3) SD45 (2) Intermountain F7 A/B (8) SD45-2 (4 not out yet) Lifelike PA (2) SW 9/1200 (2) SW8 (2) C424 (2) I may have missed something but that is most of the EL. Atlas has also done several in unnumbered versions. Hope this helps. Rick
The only way to have them is to do them yourself or hire someone to do them. With & without portholes
Hi Mike, I was unaware of E8s having portholes and no portholes. Can you give any further info about the EL's? I need to go look at which variation I have now. Rick
In the later EL years just about all of the EL E-8s had their portholes removed. Only one unit (the 817) kept it's portholes to the end. Also, there is a minor detail of former Erie E-8s. Erie E-8s had an extra sand hatch on the lower front side of the engine near the bottom of the cab door. Former DL&W E-8s had dual headlights while former Erie E-8s had a single headlight. (although there may be one exception there). There were a total of 25 EL E-8s. Former Erie #820-833. Former DL&W #810-820. Ironically, the E-8s were numbered consecutively and retained their original numbers except DL&W #820 which became #809 under EL. When selecting the Kato E-8s you want the freight pilot for EL units.
You are 100% correct Don !!!!!!!!!!!! Rick check out www.rr-fallenflags.org Go to the EL,Erie & DL&W. Loco info. You'll see all the the different catagories. Enjoy.:thumbs_up: :shade:
Secret Weapon, Thank you for sharing. The E-8s that you have really look great. Can you let me know if you painted them or did you send them somewhere to get done? If you sent them some where to get painted can you let us know where and the approximate cost? I guess I may change direction and turn this into an Erie Lackawanna thread but I do have another question which could be harder in some ways. But I think perchance someone may know the information or where to get it. Or do you think I should post a brand new thread about it? What are all the road names that could possibly show up on the Erie Lackawanna? I am looking for a list of what other road names of rolling stock I could/should purchase to have more accurate railroad. Would any one else be interested in such a list? I already have some of them compiled already. Mr X
Rolling stock on EL Mr. X, if you're talking about freight cars, cars from every railroad in existence between say 1940 and 1976 would have been found in EL freights. Other Eastern roads, New England roads, and Midwestern roads would have been most numerous, outside of EL cars, of course. :cat:
That is what I am talking about. The road names of freight cars. Would people be interested in having something like this or does any one know if it exists now? Mr X
Mr. X I once read somewhere between 1/3 and 1/4 of your freight cars would be home road if you were trying to be proto. I myself buy pretty much only Micro Trains cars with a few other brands mixed in. Most of my cars are EL, Erie, Lackawanna, Reading, D&H, Lehigh Valley, and Jersey Central. Mr. Rickles, Thanks for "summing" it up for me. You have made it easy now for me to understand the whole porthole/no porthole thing. Mike, That website is awesome! Once again your pictures are always a pleasure to look at. Hopefully, I will someday get to visit you layout in person. Rick
I'll keep the portholes. Went through the research between that and the dual headlight thing and unless you are modeling a specific date, (there's nothing wrong with that!) dated photos show lots differences over a 16 year period. Lots of good info on some important engines. The Kato undec unit is # 176-280 it has the freight pilot and the dual headlights. The one that I bought painted had the pass. pilot and it was grey. Since been redone. Cool stuff, Mike. Rick, did you get my e-mail? Mr. X, for a mix of freight cars, it might also depend on the era or Area of the EL modeled. For example,trains heading up the Erie side might have more New England bound cars for interchange at Maybrook. On the DL&W side maybe more Reading, LV for interchange off the Bloom. Between Bingo and The Windy, the western roads interchanged cars near Hammond. Cars might be in blocks, Too. Several NP cars with lumber from the PNW, a block of Reefers off the Santa Fe or UP, Grain from the midwest or upper midwest etc.. When I look at photos of EL trains I see a good mix. My own collecting has left me really shy of western and southern roads.
