Continued... and some work on the pilots... On to some misc. things... Next I'll begin the painting process... Thanks for reading...
Thanks Hemi. Nope. The rebuild program took place in the 1970's well after the maroon & orange era. At least one did make it into the Hiawatha paint scheme post embargo era. Didn't look quite right in that livery, however... However, I do dig the nose art from that livery which looked good an ALL the Milwaukee's remaining power.
Awesome work Bob. I really enjoyed looking at the detail you've put into the SD10. Also thanks for the link to the website , got it bookmarked
Bob, I really have enjoyed reading about this build -- been a great read and very nice work to boot! Can't wait to see your bash come to completion!
Hey thanks for the kind words, Boo & Uncle Nugat! It's been a fun build. Since getting back into the hobby, the models I've done have all been leading up to this one. Boo, I hope you find some of the links and references on my site useful. Anytime I find something Milwaukee related, I put a link to on the site. This is actually how it started and now I intend it to be a clearing house for online Milwaukee information.
Hey guys, I could use a couple of recommendations here... 1) I need to find after market classification lights. 2) The round plates which are bolted on front of the short hood. 3) Perhaps a constant lighting kit. (Not sure I'm going to light it up or not yet) Can anyone tell me if the Milwaukee used the classification lights on the NMD? My memory isn't as good as it used to be, but I seem to recall they did indeed show white. Can anyone confirm for refute this for me? Thanks
Absolutely. Any extra had to display them. More and more movements as the years waned were extras. All of the trains on the Transcontinental line were extras. Nothing timetable. And even though many people refer to them by designations as Train 200, 205, etc, those numbers were NOT used in OPERATING any train. They were all Extra 163 West, Extra 355 East. Extra 1013 West. Extra 5502 East.And so on. Boxcab E50
Thanks Ken! My memory wasn't so bad after all. The WHITE classification lights did indeed indicate EXTRA, correct? So, here is another learning opportunity. White = Extra Green = 1st part? Yellow = Was there a yellow? Red = 2nd part? Or trailing power? I remember reading the meaning of the classification colors some where, but can't remeber where. EDIT: Found the definitions here: TRAINS Magazine - Locomotive classification lights excerpt: Classification signals - colored flags by day, lights by night - were once used throughout North American railroading. U.S. railroads used a single light and outer lens, with colored lenses in between that could be changed as needed. Canadian roads used three separate lights; on diesels these were often located near the numberboards on the front of locomotives. The purpose of classification lights was to help identify the train on which they were displayed. The three colors and their meanings were as follows: White. Indicated an "extra" train not shown in the timetable. For much of railroad history, train-movement authority was granted by timetables. If a train was listed in the timetable, it had the authority to operate according to its printed schedule. Deviations from the timetable, such as a train running late, were handled with train orders from the dispatcher. Under this "timetable-and-train-order" system, it was important that trains kept as close to schedule as possible, and that any special trains not shown in the timetable be clearly identified as such with a white light. Many freight trains operated as extras, and thus carried a white classification signal. Green. Indicated that, while the train displaying the lights was a regularly scheduled one, a second section was following behind it. This was done, for example, when ridership demand exceeded the capacity of a single passenger train. If there were too many passengers for a single section of, say, New York Central's 20th Century Limited, a second section was operated, and, if needed, a third, fourth, fifth, and even sixth. The engine of each section except the last would display green lights. While each section was a separate entity, the timetable's "train 25" would not be considered to have passed a given point until the last section of the train had gone by. For operational convenience, special trains that otherwise might have carried white "extra" signals were sometimes operated as advance or second sections of regular, but unrelated, trains. Red. Indicated the end of a train. A train, be it a single engine, a group of engines, or an engine(s) with cars, must have a marker on the rear end. In the (relatively rare) situations when the last element in a train would be a locomotive, the red lights would be lit.
From Trains webpage: "White. Indicated an "extra" train not shown in the timetable. For much of railroad history, train-movement authority was granted by timetables. If a train was listed in the timetable, it had the authority to operate according to its printed schedule. Deviations from the timetable, such as a train running late, were handled with train orders from the dispatcher. Under this "timetable-and-train-order" system, it was important that trains kept as close to schedule as possible, and that any special trains not shown in the timetable be clearly identified as such with a white light. Many freight trains operated as extras, and thus carried a white classification signal. Green. Indicated that, while the train displaying the lights was a regularly scheduled one, a second section was following behind it. This was done, for example, when ridership demand exceeded the capacity of a single passenger train. If there were too many passengers for a single section of, say, New York Central's 20th Century Limited, a second section was operated, and, if needed, a third, fourth, fifth, and even sixth. The engine of each section except the last would display green lights. While each section was a separate entity, the timetable's "train 25" would not be considered to have passed a given point until the last section of the train had gone by. For operational convenience, special trains that otherwise might have carried white "extra" signals were sometimes operated as advance or second sections of regular, but unrelated, trains. Red. Indicated the end of a train. A train, be it a single engine, a group of engines, or an engine(s) with cars, must have a marker on the rear end. In the (relatively rare) situations when the last element in a train would be a locomotive, the red lights would be lit." -Trains webpage-May 1, 2006 -Mark
Thanks Mark! I think we must have been posting at the same time. I'm thinking of lighting the SD10s. (I'm actually building 2 of them) If so, then I want to light the classification lights correctly. I may also have a line on a good beacon, but am still waiting to hear on it for sure.
1. Good luck. I would be tempted just to drill the hole and use Micro-glaze or something similar (Acrylic matte medium). You may want to look into etching your own surrounds out of sheet brass. Or, shave them off an Athearn F unit (they come off intact-I found out, though I did not want to) and set them down onto a puddle of solvent cement. I would rill hole ahead of time on the last method. 2. If you do a lot of scratch building, look into buying a HEAVY duty hole punch at the local fabric or craft store. The good ones have multiple size hole punches on a punch wheel that you adjust. These will produce wonderfully circular, "plates" from sheet styrene in many sizes. 3. You can make these via a bit of stuff from Radio Shack. I have done this. Costs around $10-15. Link to the website that has this info: http://www.mrollins.com/circuit.html But, I have found these complete kits at train shows for bargain basement prices ($2 each for 5 last November). All of these kits are vintage (10+ YO) but they still work and come pretty much ready to install. I do not find these online at all. -Mark
Thanks for the great ideas, Mark! I have found a source for the class lights. They even make the caboose marker paddles used by the Milwaukee too! Classification Marker Lights: Railflyer Model Prototypes - DP 6621 Marker Lights Caboose Markers: Railflyer Model Prototypes - DP 8000 MILW Caboose Markers I'll have to stop by Hobby Lobby to see about a hole punch! Thanks for that tip!
Well, well, well... Fascinating. They actually made the paddles. However, I'm a wee bit irked! I do not recall submitting those photos to them. They were sent to a private party for his research. Seems to me he was going to create drawings to aid in making these parts, or some such thing. Yup- Uncredited, those are MY pictures, of the paddle in my collection. :tb-mad: Boxcab E50
Patty had class tonight so I got some good modeling time in! (she's working on her masters degree) Tonight was all about paint. So, here is my painting for this evening. Then nice thing about painting your own models, is you can paint it according to the final vision of how the unit will look. In the case of this SD10, it will be very faded. The Milwaukee orange faded in many different ways and patterns. In my area of interst, the harsh Montana elements took a heavy toll and that is why my models are weathered as they are. Faded, dusty, and ill maintained. I hope you enjoy this little progress report . Continued...
