Amtrak derailment today in Philadelphia

BoxcabE50 May 13, 2015

  1. BoxcabE50

    BoxcabE50 HOn30 & N Scales Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

    67,639
    23,044
    653
  2. Eagle2

    Eagle2 Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

    5,727
    479
    82
    It just seems to keep getting worse. Death toll now at 6, and the reporting is that there are still people unaccounted for.
     
  3. LegomanBill

    LegomanBill TrainBoard Member

    2,467
    13,699
    64
    Quite a sad incident.

    I am curious thought to see exactly what happened here. Could speed have played into this derailment?
     
  4. Kez

    Kez TrainBoard Member

    758
    672
    32
    My uninformed guess is trackwork. It was awfully hot and humid yesterday, and those CSX rails have a tendency to shift and bow in the heat. But I'm just guessing.
     
  5. BoxcabE50

    BoxcabE50 HOn30 & N Scales Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

    67,639
    23,044
    653
  6. Hytec

    Hytec TrainBoard Member

    13,976
    6,937
    183
    Latest posting on Fox News indicates the train was doing more than 100 mph as it entered the curve. Restrictions are 70 mph approaching and 50 mph in the curve. The locomotive black box and video have been sent to "Delaware" for analysis.
     
  7. BoxcabE50

    BoxcabE50 HOn30 & N Scales Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

    67,639
    23,044
    653
    100mph? Wow. If that is true... :(
     
  8. Eagle2

    Eagle2 Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

    5,727
    479
    82
    The press conference the NTSB just had indicates (preliminary) that the train was doing 106 just prior to the curve. The engineer apparently went ot emergency but was still going 102 when data stopped. And yes, the curve had a speed limit of 50. As for Delaware, that's Amtrak's facility for a preliminary read of the recorders before they get sent to DC.
     
  9. BoxcabE50

    BoxcabE50 HOn30 & N Scales Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

    67,639
    23,044
    653
    I just heard that 106 on the top of hour radio news. What the heck was that engineer doing? I am wondering if he was fatigued and dozed off....
     
  10. maxairedale

    maxairedale TrainBoard Member

    1,739
    133
    34
    This question is for current or former train crew members

    Is possible for the train in question to accelerate for 0 to 106 mph in 11 minutes as reported by FOX?
    Gary
     
  11. natsb

    natsb TrainBoard Member

    77
    27
    12
    I like to bring my Garmin along to monitor my location on trips to New York. I can vouch that the train can get to 100 in under two minutes, but it seldom does. There are usually too many curves near the stations to go that fast.

    Tha Acela Express takes the curves pretty fast because it "leans into" curves, whatever that means. Since this was a new engine, I wonder why it doesn't have simular technology?

    Sent from my GT-N8013 using Tapatalk
     
  12. Eagle2

    Eagle2 Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

    5,727
    479
    82
    As I recall. the "leaning in" is a use/modification of Talgo technology, where the truck connections to the cars includes a computer controlled system of hydraulics to induce the appropriate tilt.
     
  13. Point353

    Point353 TrainBoard Member

    2,881
    7,612
    71
    This video - ironically of #601 - demonstrates that a Sprinter loco can accelerate 8 Amfleet cars up to 100 mph within about 2 minutes:

    [video=youtube;vJMhKgEnnNc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJMhKgEnnNc[/video]
     
  14. Alan

    Alan Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

    10,798
    460
    127
    Surprising there is no technology in place to restrict train speed if track speed is being exceeded.
     
  15. natsb

    natsb TrainBoard Member

    77
    27
    12
    The positive control system is fully funded, and is scheduled to be completed by the end of the year. Unfortunately, this particular section of track is still on the to do list.

    Sent from my GT-N8013 using Tapatalk
     
  16. maxairedale

    maxairedale TrainBoard Member

    1,739
    133
    34
    Thanks guys.

    Not having any passenger trains any where near me, I had no idea.

    Gary
     
  17. SleeperN06

    SleeperN06 TrainBoard Member

    3,386
    50
    45
    Wow I would have never thought about doing that. Thanks for the idea because I am definitely bringing mine the next time I ride the train.:cool:
     
  18. BoxcabE50

    BoxcabE50 HOn30 & N Scales Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

    67,639
    23,044
    653
    If I was nervous, watching the speeds might make me even more so. :wideeyes:
     
  19. r_i_straw

    r_i_straw Mostly N Scale Staff Member

    22,275
    50,173
    253
    If I understand it correctly PTC (Positive Train Control) does not control speed. If you pass a green signal all it knows is you had a green signal. If you had a yellow and ran it at 60 THEN PTC would apply the brakes.
     
  20. SleeperN06

    SleeperN06 TrainBoard Member

    3,386
    50
    45
    My wife kind of said the same thing and then she said what could we do about it at the time anyway. Well then I started thinking and I don't remember seeing any of those emergincy pull ropes that were in all those old train movies.
     

Share This Page