ESU Lokpilot....

french_guy Mar 2, 2021

  1. french_guy

    french_guy TrainBoard Member

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    Hello
    What is the difference between the Lokpilot Micro 5 and the Lokpilot Micro 5 DCC?
    Which one should I get for a wire install on a non-dcc ready engine?

    Thanks
     
  2. RBrodzinsky

    RBrodzinsky November 18, 2022 Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter In Memoriam

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    The difference is the Micro 5 supports other protocols besides DCC (M4, Motorola and Selectrix). These are primarily European in use. Also, the Micro 5 does not support CV6 (so no three point speed curves), and the acceleration / deceleration values use the NEM multiplier (0.25) vs NMRA (0.896). The DCC version follows the NMRA standard (so has 3pt curve, and, for example, a setting of CV3=20 in the LokPilot 5 DCC is the same as CV3=20 in a Digitrax or TCS decoder).

    Of course, the only real difference that matters, is price. The DCC only versions tend to run about $5 less. The accel/decel values is overcome with simple arithmetic, and the 28pt speed table works just fine.
     
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    french_guy TrainBoard Member

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    So I should be looking for Reference# 59820 and just cut the wires?
     
  4. RBrodzinsky

    RBrodzinsky November 18, 2022 Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter In Memoriam

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    Well, that depends on what you are putting it in, etc. I purchase either 59820 or 59826 (whichever is currently in stock), then cut the connectors off the ends of the wires, and then trim off any wires I don't need. If you are installing into something that can take an 8-pin ('20) or 6-pin ('26) connector, then it is even easier!
     
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    For an engine with no connector, i could pick either the 59820 or 59826? Once connectors are cut off, I will have 6 wires with both...Is this correct?
     
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  6. Sumner

    Sumner TrainBoard Member

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    In the ESU 59820 specs they have "Functions: 4 amplified outputs for special functions, 2 Logic-level outputs (total: Up to 6 outputs)" .

    Are their pads you solder additional wires to for functions past the common two and with just 6 wires what do you do about the common Blue wire? Do you also solder a wire to a pad to make up for it? Looks like the 8 pin connector on the 59826 might have the blue wire in the bundle to the connector. Maybe the pictures don't show all the wire?

    I have two ESU #53661 which are a 4 function and they have 9 wires. Only 8 to the connector and one outside the connector. Are the 59820--59826 similar in that they also have wires not showing in the pictures?

    I haven't used the 53661's yet as I'm saving them for an install where I need a really small decoder because they are smaller than any of the Digitrax decoders I'm using but also about twice as expensive.

    Sumner
     
  7. RBrodzinsky

    RBrodzinsky November 18, 2022 Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter In Memoriam

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    Both models come with wired pads for:
    1. Track right (red)
    2. Track left. (Black)
    3. Motor right (orange)
    4. Motor left (Grey)
    5. F0(f) (white)
    6. F0(r) (yellow)
    7. Aux 1 (green)
    8. Aux 2 (violet)
    9. Aux 3 (teal)
    10. Aux 4 (pink)
    11. U+ (Blue)
    With all those wires, I just wish they would put one more on, for the decoder ground
     
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    Sumner TrainBoard Member

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    Thanks so what is on the 6 or 8 prong connector?

    Red -- Black -- Orange -- Grey -- White -- Yellow ??? Maybe add Blue and something else on the 8 prong?

    Sumner
     
  9. RBrodzinsky

    RBrodzinsky November 18, 2022 Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter In Memoriam

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    Green and Blue on 8 pin
     
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