Hmmmmmm, As some of you know, I am in the slow process of building some modules. In doing so I am planning various bits of animation to surprise and bewilder the masses. To create the animation, some will call for the use of small motors to operate them. I've been playing with two such small motors lately that are deemed superior to others. I was experimenting to see which would best perform to animated the scenes and also for other "Top Secret" projects I have in my head. Well, after doing some major intense research of both the Faulhaber and the Maxon motors I have come to the conclusion that one is Authentic and the other is nothing more than a Copy of Perfection. Given the chance to use the BEST of these two motors to animate my Z scale, I would use the Faulhaber motor to do so. It may seem to be the most expensive selection but I would want a motor that is the most reliable and would not stop in the middle of a weekend trainshow, be it animation or locomotion. Understand that this is just my un-biased research and experimentation of the two motors in the use of animated scenes I have performed. In the coming months, hopefully I will be at a stage where I can post photos of the animation. Time will tell! Have a great day! Hobo Tim
I worked in a factory where we had some machines that were several years old, and they had a 10mm Maxon motors for their wafer prealigners that ran 24/7. Only 12 hours a year were they powered down. There were about 12 of these steppers (step and repeat photolothography camera's) running, and I may have replaced 2 or 3 of these motors in 8 years. I would call the Maxon motor a very reliable workhorse motor, and not a knock off at all.
I have a bunch of Faulhabers, but I always though they were equal to Maxon (with no proof though) "The Motorman" seems to have Faulhabers so thats what I get. I just know Faulhabers are coreless and have 7 poles (OK technically not "poles", but still) There are parts inside made of real silver and gold. And if you act now we will throw in a free 8-track player! Also just because I HAVE to... WHAT IS THIS TOP SECRET PROJECT???
Actually, both Maxon and Micromo (Faulhaber) have been around for about 50 years, both specializing in the same types of products, and both are highly regarded. In apples to apples comparisons, the price differences between the two are quite small. The important thing to remember is that both companies offer several variations in specs in their motors. Not all 8mm (random number)coreless motors from the same manufacturer are created equal. There are different tolerances, materials, types of magnets, windings, etc. These all play a role in operation, such as torque, stall torque, motor duty cycle (continuous, intermittent, modulating, etc), etc. Simply comparing two motors from the two companies is not a good representation in any case, but comparing two without knowing their design specifications and intended function (via complete part numbers) could be like comparing the strength of a grade 2 bolt to a grade 8. If the Maxon motor tested cost enough less than the Faulhaber to make the Faulhaber the expensive way out (for onsey-twosey motor purchases), then the two motors aren't "equivalents". In general, the price difference between Maxon and Faulhaber (on equal items) is the difference between Swiss pricing and German pricing, and, unless you are buying them by the thousands, is pretty much a wash. Dan S.
Hmmmmmm!!!! Hah!!!! Gonna take more than a mere question to get an answer out of me, besides I am licking my wounds from getting beat up here. Dang guyZ, leave the oak bats and steel pipes at the house, I only brought my fist!!! Just posting my experimental findings here at my house!!!! Chris, the Top Secret project will be on my Intermodal module. Well, also on the Interstate module too!!! More to come! Licking my wounds o2pz:, Hobo Tim
Last time The Motorman (Eldon) sent me some escap info, they have a 9x15mm motor that is square and has stackable gear reduction that is changeable. Looked great, but didn't need it for a Marklin steamer. Maybe they could work for Tim though. Hummm... I think the only true way to get Tim to spill his beans is by using LARGE LETTERS AND COLORED TEXT TO ASK HIM ! :w20z6q:
I didn't even bring my fists, well, I guess I did, but one was holding a cigarette and the other a beer. I just felt that it was important to qualify your findings. It wouldn't be right to let people, that aren't familiar with the two companies, believe that Maxon motors were just bargain basemernt knock-offs of the Faulhaber. That might lead people to believe that a company that uses Maxon was using an inferior product. The problem is, MOST Maxon and Faulhaber motors that wind up in the hands of scratch builders and kit bashers come from "surplus" sources . So, we don't have a lot of information about the motors that we get. Some of them don't have part numbers, or else have OEM numbers. The good news is that surplus motors are cheap. In many cases, less than the OEM payed for them in the first place. The bad news is, you don't always know what you get. That is A LOT different than a manufacturer (or an individual) buying a motor to specifications. Dan S.
I think they are both good quality small motors. Unless you need the high torque and small size for your secret project I would still recommend a pager motor. Kim
Hello, We use here often a small little motor, high quality, from Bretsch. The company is part from Faulhaber Group. It is a Coreless and flat build motor and very small. It is in size 23,5mm x 15,2mm with gearbox ! Also you have the choice between : 96.4:1 , 249:1, 487:1 and 916:1 concerning the gearbox factor. Total weight is 7.5 grammes ! And the best, the FTB-motor cost only about 18$ in Conrad shop. I add datasheet in German, but you will understand technical data. And just now also english description. Link to Conrad : http://www1.int.conrad.com/scripts/wgate/zcop_in/%7EflN0YXRlPTMyNTQzOTM5NDk=?%7Etemplate=PCAT_AREA_S_BROWSE&glb_user_js=Y&shop=A_B2C_IN&p_init_ipc=X&%7Ecookies=1 http://www2.produktinfo.conrad.com/...9999/242527-da-01-de-Kleinstgetriebemotor.pdf http://www.micromo.com/uploadpk/e_0130SR_FTB.pdf
Hello again, If you want to see some nice animations from our friend Andreas with this motor, its here : http://www.1zu220-welt.de/kirmes.htm Unfortunatly he dont sell this polystyrol kits anymore, but perhaps he will edge something like this in the future ....
Larger Motor Selection!! David, Armand, Thanks for the added info! These motors you have used looked very promising in some of my other animated projects I would like to achieve. This is great info!!! Armand, you say Conrad carries these motors you mentioned? Might need to do some trading soon to Luxemborg!!! How quiet are these motors? Looking for a quiet operating geared motor. David, any idea where I could possibly pick up some of the motors you mentioned? What about the gears? Are these quiet operating motors? Thanks guys!!! Hobo Tim
Tim, if you are building an operating container crane based on your Mi-Jack crane, I will be in awe......
Hi Tim, They are very quit. There is only 7,5gr of mass, so combined with the flat rotor you hear nothing. I just saw that Conrad dont deliver to the States :thumbs_down: But I have German Postbox just here borderline. Like this I pay only 5 Euro for transport of all orders from Conrad (and German Ebay also cheaper) I need always things, so very easy to combine. If you find what you need, I will with pleasure make the deal for you and send you the motors.
