G scale news April 2010

EMD trainman Apr 30, 2010

  1. EMD trainman

    EMD trainman TrainBoard Member

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  2. krs

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    Nice summary Trainman, but I keep confused by the rules on this board every time I visit.
    Why for instance are you allowed to post the link to the website of each of the manufacturers and retailers in your listing above except for LGB?

    And one item that struck me - Zimo is not really a competitor to the Aristo Revolution.
    Zimo is a DCC system, same as NCE, Digitrax, Lenz, Massoth etc.; the Aristo Revolution is a proprietary R/C system competing with systems like RCS and Train Control.
    Zimo has been around since the beginning of DCC - they make excellent DCC decoders and are working hard to become number one in combines DCC & Sound decoders as well. Their DCC system is a bit pricey especially for North America but their decoders are priced very competitively and are second to none in performance.
    Since they are DCC compliant, they will work with any DCC system.
     
  3. EMD trainman

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    krs, there is gray areas in just about any rule. One such example would be Charles Ro, they are a direct factory outlet for USA Trains but on the other hand they are also a hobby shop. Charles Ro also owns USA Trains which make them a manufacturer. So until this parrt of the rule gets ironed out or the Upper Staff say other wise I'll allow Manufacturers stores to be posted. Any store which is solely a hobby shop, the name can not be posted in the forum, but feel free to pm anyone a name.

    On the Zimo subject, thier was actually a ad that was inserted into Garden Railways that was directed soley in competition from what I read at the Aristocraft Revolution. Zimo claimed to be the "new revolution". Of course we all have our own interpetation of what we read.
     
  4. krs

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    Well in that case the LGB/Marklinshop website I assume can be published since it's a manufacturer:
    Märklin Online ShopHome
    Just ignore the prices since they are list prices and in Euros.

    Was that the latest issue of Garden Railways? I will have to go look for that to see exactly what it said.
    If Zimo compares themselves to the Aristo Revolution it's really misleading - it's like comparing apples and oranges. Maybe just a play on words.
     
  5. DragonFyreGT

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    In a nutshell KRS, The only time a hobby shop name may be mentioned is if they are doing a custom run exclusive to them, for example, RLD Hobbies are the only ones to do a Burlington Northern Custom Run GP40. You may not mention the shop's price or anything else about them, but the custom run they are doing. That's what I was told by administration when I asked.

    And EMD Huge question here: What about shops that carry LGB Repair services? They are simply repair services right? So why not list the people who repair LGB but not the prices so that anyone seeking said repair services can investigate on their own?
     
  6. krs

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    I'm sort of the new kid on the block here but I think it would help every one, especially any newcomers if the rules were either posted specifically or there was at least some rationale posted to explain what in general is allowed and what is not.

    I sure as heck can't figure it out.
    Train-Li-USA for instance is a hobby shop, not a manufacturer, but a link to their web site is published. But for other hobby shops it's forbidden to publish even their names like the W........ distributor.
    Sorry, but I just cannot follow the logic.

    I also always wondered about the slogan: "Trainboard, the Internet's Original".
    Has this board really been around for close to 20 years?
    I have been on the net with various Large Scale train forums since the early nineties both in Europe and North America and I never heard of this site until very recently.
     
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    Train-Li-USA is manufacturing their own track, It's the only time I've seen them mentioned.
     
  8. EMD trainman

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    Thanx DragonFyreGT for pointing that out. Yes Train-Li produces thier own track and switches for G scale which makes them also a Manufacturer. This is another gray area where a manufacturer can also be a hobby store.

    I think we already went over this subject, but we state this again. If the place you want to mention is a Manufacturer, than you can mention them as long as you only mention the products that particuliar name you want to mention makes.

    To clear confusions I'll make a example: Improper Sample: EMD Trainman makes special G scale wheels for $20.00 a set and also offers cheap N scale models. < This is something we DON'T want to see. We can't mention price or the fact that N scale trains is offered.

    Proper sample: EMD Trainman sells G scale wheels and post a link, thats it.

    The only exception to this rule is that you can mention a vendor or hobby shop who advertises here on Train Board.

    Not all rules are perfect so unless the Upper Staff of the board intructs me other wise or changes the rules in other ways, these are the rules we have to follow.

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  9. krs

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    I don't think so.
    They sell the Train Line 45 track system manufactured by this company:
    Train Line 45 Gleissystem

    They just gave it a different name - ProLine I think.
    All Train-Li-USA is having manufactured by an outside company are different types of plastic tie strips, but maybe that qualifies them as a "manufacturer" by the forum rules. Don't know.

    The W......... company which can't be mentioned by name also manufactures a number of products - a lot more than Train-Li-USA I might add.

    I'm not against Train-Li-USA (in case some one jumps to that conclusion), I have actually bought from them, I just can't rationalize the forum rules, that's all.
     
  10. krs

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    Sorry Trainman - that is not true - you are misinformed.
    Train-Li-USA manufactures neither track nor switches.
     
  11. EMD trainman

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    There are many places that sublet to have a product made by someone else and put thier own name on it. If Train-Li sublets a product to be manufactured just for them it and call it somethingmelsemstill qualifies Train-Li as a manufature because the track has thier name on it. The track is called "Protrack" and the switches are called "Proswitch". As far as I know, but could be wrong, the names Protrack and Proswitch are trademarked to Train-Li.

    This is a G scale section, so as far as I know and again could be wrong but W_ although a manufacturer also does not manufacture or sublet any G scale train related items to call thier own which is why they hooked up with LGB.

    Everyone sublets these days. One example is that Lionel sublets to MTH trains to make thier tinplate trains. It's just another gray area you pointed out. There are always glitches in everything.
     
  12. krs

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    Well, USA Trains and Aristocraft don't manufacture their own products either, they are made by Kader in China, but Kader doesn't distribute the USAT or Aristocraft products they manufacture through any other channel.

    Train-Li-USA doesn't subcontract this track and these switches to be manufactured just for them as you believe,
    You can buy that product from a number other hobby shops (which I guess I can't mention here because of the rules).
    Train-Li-USA even shows "Train Line 45" as the manufacturer on their web site - not that this is really true either - Train Line 45 is just the product line designation, same as the "Proswitch" designation Axel chose for his shop.
    Now, Train-Li-USA actually does subcontract a product trhat is made only for them, a line of T-Shirts:
    TrainBabe T-shirts - TrainBabe - - T-shirt, pink, Adult (size: L)
    I suppose that qualfies them as a "G-Scale manufacturer", but then again, if I understand the rules correctly, we can link to the Train-Li-USA T-Shirts and the plastic ties they subcontract but nothing else.
     
  13. EMD trainman

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    Yes, we are getting to a closer understanding, although some confusion may still be there, we can only mention a name only if we mention a product that name has either made or sub-contracted to be made.

    On another subject although USA Trains has thier trains made in China as well as Aristocraft in which reality is a type of sub-contracting. Both USA Trains and Aristcraft have thier own design and engineering departments. Both manufacturers trains are made to each specific design and specifications that each one provides. Also the molds that are used are purchased by either USA Trains or Aristocraft which ever may be in production at the time. All trains being made for either Aristocraft of USA Trains still have the proper trademark of Aristocraft or USA Trains in the mold casting like on the chassis for example. This still qualifies them as a manufacturer since even thoug the trains are being sub-contracted out due to they are made to speciications and designs provided by either USA Trains or Aristocraft. Not to leave anyone out this would also include Bachmann. Charles Ro trains were made originally here in the USA but like everone else moved over seas after they became USA Trains.

    Hartland Locomotive Works is the only G scale manufacturer left I can think of that still makes trains here in the USA.
     
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