Wish I could help you there, my friend, but my knowledge is limited to steam on the NYC. George Elwood's site, or Canada Southern, might offer some help. I don't know the lineage of the ones that (MARC?) has painted as NYC E-8s. There have to be some survivors even if Perlman hammered all the steamers into nails.
I'm not sure that a Class 1 RR would have anything that old, but with the demise of Conrail, maybe there was something old, something borrowed and something blue passed along!
Oh, I was just interested in any Class 1's that might still have something from the Central. I'm sure shortlines may have one or two oldies.
Thanks Martyn! Which museum in Pa. was that? I can't remember seeing those in any of the ones I've been to. My question was out of curiosity because I've seen some really old diesels still out there. Last year in Meyersdale, Pa. I saw some U23-b's along CSX and just a couple of years back I believe I've seen GP30's or such on NS in Marion, Oh. The Amtrak yard in Sunnyside, Queens has a couple of old switchers floating around there. Amtrak is a Class 1 (Hmmmm. Passenger line a Class 1? Is that so?) railroad. Even something from Penn Central would be ok. I grew up watching the NYC yard right down the street from me on the Upper Westside of Manhattan. I have great fond memories of those days.........
Aww, finding ex PC loco's is a bit like shooting fish in a barrel, assuming you miss all of the dash 9's...... PC built up a *massive* fleet of GP38 - GP40 and then GP38-2's, all of which went back to the lessor when their 15 years were up. These were then re-leased out to other roads, ones I know of for sure are DRGW (GP40) BN - still working for BNSF (GP38, they call them GP38x) MKT, UP, and they also made up a big chunk of the EMD lease fleet, there are bound to be more out there, I can try & point you in the direction of some pics if it helps. The museum those pics were tken at is at the former NYC depot at Northeast PA, on lake Erie, the Buffalo-Cleveland lines of CSX and NS run past it, they also have some other cool bits (south shore little joe! ) & pieces. Definately worth a couple of hours if you're passing that way. Here's a pic of the depot itself. EDITED - Picture was on Photopoint - Sorry... All the best. [ 16. September 2002, 07:03: Message edited by: Martyn Read ]
Thanks again! I guess being a railfan is still loving the roads that nearly killed the industry! I wish more manufactuers did more in PC schemes. It's a forgotten road.
At the Whitewater Valley Railroad rail museum in Connersville Indiana, they have an alco S-1 painted as NYC 9339. No, this wasn’t a Central engine, but it shor do look good.
The NYC had quite a few GP-38's and GP40's, my guess is that if any NYC engs are still in service on the CSXT that they would be either of these type.
CR retired all its GP40's years before the CSX/NS split, its highly likely however that some former NYC GP40 could be on Gulford (not in NYC paint) as Gulford bought the vast majority of former CR GP40's NYC never owned any GP38's, these came during Penn Central, some of the PC GP38 exsist on NS, but CSX got rid of there GP38's last year. [ 06 November 2001: Message edited by: Chessie SD50 8563 ]</p>
What about the Mexican railways? I've heard there are some "Steel Fleet" cars still running down there? If so, there might also be some early NYC power still running [ 07 November 2001: Message edited by: Hank Coolidge ]</p>
A modelling project I want to do at some point is an early Conrail rusty GP38 or GP38-2 in PC black with CR initials, rust, on a patchwork of the original black paint, with rust, plus some badly painted glossy patches with white worms showing through, oh, and did I mention some rust Maybe in an alternative universe deregulation would have happenned early enough to give PC the same breaks as Conrail got, and you'd have had PC-Quality painted diesels running round Can anyone give us a quick rundown of what NYC had pre-Penn Central & I'll have a trawl through some sites for likely survivors? All the best
Did a quick net trawl & found a handful: From a MARC site at HERE NYC 3051, PC 3051, CR 3051, MARC 32, MARC 69 (Now a GP40WH-2) Remanufactured from GP40s by M-K, Boise, ID, in 1994-95. Units have a stretched GP40 frame with 3000HP EMD 645E engine, Cummins HEP generator, F45-style widecab, SD45-style long hood with flared radiators. NYC 3062, PC 3062, CR 3062, MARC 70 NYC 3066, PC 3066, CR 3066, MARC 71 (Now GP39H-2) Remanufactured from GP40s by M-K, Boise, ID, in 1988-89. Units are on standard GP40 frame with 2300HP 12-cylinder EMD 645E engine, Cummins HEP generator, standard GP40 carbody. From a CP Rail roster site HERE SOO 4200-04 EMD/CP GP9R Formerly CR/PC 7355,7393,7320,7349,7405 Formerly NYC 5955,5993,5920,5949,6005 NYC Lives, kind of
Martyn, did you say rust? There's a RUST ST. in Brooklyn. I suspected there were some NYC leftovers out there. Thanks for all the info guys! (I would imagine thet NS doesn't have much money to buy new.......) (Actually, I'm doing a Bronx/New Haven RR type thing. A bit of modeler's licensing there. Just like city scenes. Have a lot of New York City related vehicles to go with the scene).
Had you heard about Bachmann doing an E33 electric? (HO scale, VGN/N&W/NH/PC/CR) I have to say I'm kinda tempted myself Maybe mix in a PC black GG1 for a bit of variety. Does anyone know if the IHC GG1 is any good?
The Adirondack RR out of Utica NY has a privately owned RS3 ptd. NYC 8223 used in tourist service. For more info on it's bckgrd, you might try www.adirondackrr.com. Maybe someone there can supply the details. Don
As of this am Union Pacific has 9975 Ex NYC 3031 @ Proviso 9979 Ex NYC 3010 @ Janesville, Wi 9980 Ex NYC 3012 @ Concil Bluff Ia, stored/retired 638 Ex NYC 3017 @ Alamosa Co D. Simmons
Wow, I go away for a few days and you guys are burning up the net. Good thread--keep it up. I may even learn something about diesels.
