O scale Versus O gauge

railroadgalaxy Oct 19, 2010

  1. railroadgalaxy

    railroadgalaxy New Member

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    There is some confusion over the terms O scale and O gauge in model railroading.


    O scale is approximately 1/48 scale, meaning that 1 foot on the train layout is approximately 48 feet on a real railroad. To keep with the scale concept, the train tracks in O scale have two rails and many ties between the rails. Trains typically are operated with DC current in O scale with the electric current picked up by the engine's wheels. Scale manufacturers include Lionel, Third Rail (a division of Sunset), Atlas, MTH, Weaver, and Williams by Bachmann, among others. Scale trucks and couplers also maintain the scale theme with knuckle couplers that have simulated hoses and trucks that are designed to run on low two-rail tracks.


    O gauge, also referred to as tinplate, is slightly smaller than O scale and is less realistic in appearance. Tracks typically are higher (hence the term hi-rail) than O scale tracks and, with some exceptions, have only a few ties between the rails. Usually, O gauge tracks have three-rails. O gauge typically run on AC electric current, with the current received from the middle rail by roller pickups on the engine and passenger cars. Scale manufacturers (Atlas, MTH, and so on) also manufacturer O gauge equipment. Some O gauge manufacturers, such as K-Line and Williams, are no longer in business as independent entities.


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  2. BoxcabE50

    BoxcabE50 HOn30 & N Scales Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

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    Welcome to TrainBoard!

    While many of us do know the differences between gauge and scale, many others seem prone to using them interchangeably. I see it all the time in N scale. Which does cause confusion. It seems as though some folks outside of North America tend to also use gauge more often than scale, when speaking of N. Even some manufacturers still will use gauge instead of scale.

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  3. mogollon

    mogollon TrainBoard Member

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    American O scale is exactly (not approx) 1:48...1/4" equals 1'0". O gauge is 1 1/4" between the rails, which is actually 60" between rails instead of 4' 8 1/2" for true scale gauge. To confuse many...British O scale is 7MM or 1:43 scale which when run on 1 1/4" gauge is close to exact gauge in that scale. Tinplate O (Lionel, MTH, etc.) is built to 1:48 scale but much of the tinplate equipment is undersized to accomodate tight curves and small layouts. I hope this answers questions instead of confuses.
    SCALE-relative size of equipment, figures, structures, etc.
    GAUGE-the distance between the rails.
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  4. BoxcabE50

    BoxcabE50 HOn30 & N Scales Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

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    Sometimes the whole thing seems like a complicated stew...

    :eek:

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  5. fitz

    fitz TrainBoard Member

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    I like 027. :tb-biggrin:
     
  6. mogollon

    mogollon TrainBoard Member

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    There's nothing complicated about scale relationships, you just have to understand what it's all about. And O27...that is tinplate (Lionel) which denotes the 27" diameter (not radius) circle that the trains will operate upon. To confuse you even more, many "O27" cars and locos are actually closer to S scale-1:64. A 40 foot boxcar in O scale would look crazy rounding a 13.5" radius curve, but a "tinplate" 40 footer looks fine because it is smaller. I would discuss the scale I model in but it seems that it would confuse matters even more. The best advice is to buy a "scale ruler" if you want, that really helps to see what is exact or a little "off".
    Woodie
     
  7. bremner

    bremner Staff Member

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    Since when is Lionel or Williams "scale"? I am looking at an old Lionel 2-6-4 with a Pennsy tender with Southern Pacific on the tender on my entertainment center
     
  8. Wings & Strings

    Wings & Strings TrainBoard Member

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    2-6-4 Adriatic on U.S. Rails

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    Pennsy Tender with SP Lettering

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    Calling it "scale"

    You're Out.:thumbs_up:


    Ahh, good ol' Lionel. Kinda reminds me of those fantasy paint schemes over in Micro Trains and ConCor! I can honestly say that there was never a teal Smoky the Bear SP C-30-1 caboose or a transluscent, confetti-loaded birthday 40' boxcar on the rails, and if you even use "locomotive" and "pink" in the same sentence so help me I will lose it.:tb-biggrin:
     
  9. BoxcabE50

    BoxcabE50 HOn30 & N Scales Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

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    The history of tinplate says a lot. Seems to me that O-27 was more to compete with American Flyer S guage, after AF went to two rail. No matter, it was great stuff. I had both Lionel and AF. I'd love to still have all that stuff from my youth, as the memories are great.

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  10. mogollon

    mogollon TrainBoard Member

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    Yes-to the "way back machine"...long, long ago, I had the great old Lionel F3 Santa Fe locos & aluminum passenger cars (1953 era), and my dad got an American Flyer "General" 4-4-0 and passenger cars for me also. I used to set both sets up in my Grandma's garden and let them run. I would stage "meets" between the big SF train and the little W&A train and loved the way the big train looked next to the older and smaller train. This led me to narrow gauge and by the time I was 12 years old, I was a dedicated narrow gauger. I do wish I had both sets now, but that's the way it is. In my young mind, the O gauge (scale was not mentioned then) made the S gauge look like narrow gauge. Little did I know that O scale modelers would use S scale stuff to represent NG. Many still do this, but won't admit it!
    Woodie
     
  11. bremner

    bremner Staff Member

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    Boxcab, with the Lionel discussion going on, I started to price items that I own. I also found a nice little discovery, the 1970-85 MPC era loco's are CHEAP. Want a big Hudson (not scale)? Look at the price of a 8206, right around $100...A complete Spirit of '76 set will run you $500-650, a Milwakee Special will be near $150....you can pick up many freight cars in the $5-20 range....

    Get a pair of 30" doors (or 36" if you want to use "O" track), a bunch of swap meet O27 track, a few accessories, and you can have a nice L shaped Lionel layout for under a grand with a big steamer.
     

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