OTHER Old photos from the New England Region

Hytec Oct 31, 2022

  1. Hytec

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    Rutland 4-6-0 #74, Class F-2-j, built at Alco Schenectady 1912, retired 1953. 4-6-0s were the most numerous wheel arrangement on the Rutland.

    Before the war, my mother was a student at Middlebury College and depended on the Rutland to get her there.

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  3. Hytec

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    I should have noted that the CV map shows not only their own route from Montreal to New London, but also foreign lines where they had trackage rights.
     
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  4. Hardcoaler

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    Thanks for posting the map. I really enjoy old maps like this and can look at them for hours. There were lines everywhere back then.
     
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  5. BoxcabE50

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    Wow. Look at the old RR names on this map! Any idea what year, Hank?
     
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    He'll know for sure, but my guess is the 1890s. I have a friend in Ogdensburg, NY and we often discuss rail history. The Rutland doesn't seem to be called out on the map; it was under lease to the CV at the time. The Ogdensburg & Lake Champlain is prominent on the map. It was in the CV's camp until the turn of the century when the Rutland bought it. I could be all wrong though! :oops:
     
  7. BoxcabE50

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    My maternal grandmother's side of the family lived in Ogdensburg, before moving near to a homestead near Cleveland, where she was born. This would have probably been late 1880's.
     
  8. Hytec

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    The map has to be prior to 1914. The map shows the New York Central & Hudson River, and the New York & Harlem as independent railroads. In 1914 they, along with nine other Cornelius Vanderbilt holdings, were merged to form New York Central Lines, later the New York Central System in 1935.

    For those interested, the New York Central Wikipedia article is an excellent time-line description of the NYC's evolution.
     
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    From 01/08/1935, a beautiful CV Baggage/Mail car.

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    Some really cool images and maps being shown.
     
  11. Doug Gosha

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    Wow! That is not what we usually think of when thinking about a ten wheeler!

    Doug
     
  12. BoxcabE50

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    Just for fun, I tried a right mouse click/save as. Sometimes that will show you a photo title with a tiny bit of information. That showed as "1879_cv_map". So, if accurate 1879 is the year. Seeing all of those old railroad names, it might just be true. Hmmm.
     
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    I just pulled The Rutland Road (by Jim Shaughnessy, c. 1964) from my shelf and am enjoying it again. The road had such a difficult history, with acquisitions, intermittent years of independence, ownership by larger roads and periods of great success in the early 1900s.

    I'd forgotten that the Rutland had a navy of six steel hulled freighters and did a fine and profitable maritime business between Ogdensburg, the Great Lakes and Chicago. Unfortunately, when the Federal government passed The Panama Canal Act of 1912, it decreed that a railroad could not own maritime assets that duplicated services available by its all-rail routes. The Rutland was half owned by the NYC at the time, so had to divest of its fleet. The result brought rapid ruin to the Rutland and its finances would never recover.

    Here's the Rutland Transit Company's Brandon at Ogdensburg, built 1910.

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  14. Hytec

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    WOW, that's great. Thanks, Ken.
     
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    OK, not actually located in New England, but.....

    I rode in this B&M open vestibule coach when I visited the Strasburg in October, 2019.

    Wouldn't it be amazing if this was the same coach I rode from Boston North Station to Ashland, NH in August, 1951. Open vestibule, open windows, smoke, cinders, and all the trimmings. Wonderful ride for a sixteen-year-old steam rail junkie. :cool:

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    An old newspaper clipping from after my family moved away from Milford.
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  17. Point353

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    Odd unless, perhaps, there was a bridge on the line that wasn't rated to handle the weight of both locomotives simultaneously.
     
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    Ehyup, the B&A, a New York Central holding, had 4-6-4 Hudson class steamers. OK, they were technically tank engines, and switchers, but still, they were Hudsons. They worked B&A coach yards for Boston South Station.

    I had forgotten about these "Hudsons". Though I now remember seeing one as a kid. Thanks for posting.
     
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    Here's B&A's other Hudson, ALCO/NYC J-2c. Sometime around 1950 the six J-2s were transferred to NYC's Harlem Division for commuter service between Brewster, NY and Grand Central Terminal. Though I rode behind one through Chatham, NY, Pittsfield, MA to North Adams, MA on B&A's Adams Division.

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