WP Other than the Califorina Zephyr what...

Calzephyr Mar 10, 2008

  1. Calzephyr

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    passenger consists did those Western Pacific FP-7 units ever pull?

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  2. CHARGER

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    NONE, there was a brief time when F3s powered the Royal Gorge, but those were replaced by RDC's.

    FP7's were regulated to frieght duty though after the CZ's Final run.

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  3. Calzephyr

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    Gosh... not good... the WP FP-7 was not used on it's own system even for an interurban route which the RDC' wouldn't have handled? There was no passenger service by WP from... say... San Fransisco to Sacramento?

    More input from you 'Wobbly' guys... please!
     
  4. Willyboy

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    Does this help WESTERN PACIFIC PASSENGER
     
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  7. Calzephyr

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    Willyboy... you kept we quite busy looking over all of those pictures... Thanks :)
     
  8. Willyboy

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    No problem, I think that answered your question.
     
  9. CHARGER

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    I know you are asking about the FP7s but to add to the discussion and a bit interesting is for a very brief time when the WP-DRGW-CBQ were waiting for their Budd cars to arrive for the Zephyr. The EMD F3s pulled the Heavyweight Exposition Flyer, (from http://calzephyr.railfan.net/pctobin.jpg)

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  10. HemiAdda2d

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    The Royal Gorge was the last overland passenger train on WP, other than the CZ.
     
  11. steamghost

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    From 1933 to 1958, passengers for the CZ from San Francisco took the ferry from the Ferry Building (gee!) to the Oakland Mole shared with SP. That was built specifically for ferry service to trains. San Francisco shows up on the timetables, but it's like the AMTRAK buses today that are considered part of the system but don't happen to be trains. The Oakland Mole closed in 1958 and CZ passengers then took a Greyhound from San Francisco and got dropped at the WP Oakland yard for boarding.

    WP had very few branches. Some of them discontinued passenger (sometimes all) service very early on, before WWI. Other branches had mixed trains serving them where using an FP7 wouldn't be appropriate. The interurban arm of WP was their subsidiary Sacramento Northern but those guys ended passenger service in 1941.

    WP and SP shared tracks in the deserts of Nevada and so each essentially got a double track main line there in the bargain. But that's about the limit of cooperation between the two.
     
  12. AB&CRRone

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    Good to know. I was never able to determine from the photo I had what F's were pulling the Expo Flyer. I kept my F3's to run with heavyweights and sold the Zephyr.



    Ben
     
  13. Arved

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    The yard, or the depot on 3rd street? (I think that's where it was - on the street trackage just west of Jack London Square). I thought that depot became the terminus of the CZ after the Oakland Mole was closed.

    It's been 13 years since I moved from the SF Bay Area. My memory is fading about the street names.

    All the best,

    - Arved
     

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