P2K SD60...

tunnel88 Sep 3, 2000

  1. Jack Doran

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    Hey tunnel hold on to that SD70MAC thought just a awhile. Sounds like Athearn is going to produce one after they get done milking thee rest of the genesis series SD70's.

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  2. Mankind

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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Catt:
    4 inches?? You guys can't be serious? Or do you just want to knock someones product? [​IMG]

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    Well, I'm serious about it....and it isn't intended as a knock against the product, since I think the P2k SD60 is great, and has me hoping they follow up with an SD50. But I'm pretty detail oriented; I enjoy chasing and shooting the prototype, then painting and detailing models to get em' as close as I can to the real thing. That's the enjoyable, if sometimes frustrating, part of the hobby for me. [​IMG] To me, at least, the 4 inches is noticeable, especially if you look at where the brakewheel mount is, the missing length becomes a little more apparent. Some things I overlook and compromise, but some things, like the P2k nose and other parts, I replace because I can, and enjoy doing it.

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  3. tunnel88

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    I totally agree with you Mankind. In fact, your first post about the nose is what rememinded me to check out that discrepancy.

    My beef is that for a $75 model i want it as accurate as possible. Sure the Chessie SD50 might not have the correct battery boxes but at least make the nose right! I don't want to add another $25 just to fix a bad design. And like i said i couldn't figure out any way to email them.

    And regarding knocking the product, i plan on buying these units even though i can't really run em either(ie, StickyMonk), i just wish they didn't have this fault...

    SD70MACs... If Athearn thinks i'm gonna pay $100 for the SD70 they have another thing coming. There's a reason i don't have any Kato units. For the price fixing the wrong parts or making the model accurate makes for a too expensive model(i may get some snoots eventually though- [​IMG]). Until Athearn starts making an HTCR 2 truck for their models that use em (and fix their sorry C trucks as well)they are on my black list... The SD70MAC better not have that stupid nose door either. [​IMG]

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  4. watash

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    Maybe if enough individuals e-mailed Life-Like at: (www.lifelikeproducts.com) and requested they furnish the 4" of the nose we didn't get when we paid full price; perhaps they will send a refund, or correct their mold insert. Yeah, LOL Huh? Where do they get off stealing our 4"? Ha.

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  5. tunnel88

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    They have no contact point on their page- i've already looked.

    If anyone knows it please chime in...
     
  6. Mankind

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    Well put, tunnel88....there is a method to the rivet counters' madness! [​IMG] And hey, the Genny SD70M's aren't that bad...I agree, that "bank vault" nose door needs help, but otherwise, it's a beauty; I've got a pair of undecs I'm dolling up for Espee, and with the new Details West detail kits that have just been released, you can make one awesome model. [​IMG] Good looks and good performance...they're pretty hard to beat in my book! And the new Athearn SD40-2's are really nice too, I've got a couple and plan to get some more. I agree with you on the Kato issue though....P2k, Athearn, and Atlas give you more bang for your buck.

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  7. watash

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    You are right. The web page has changed. (Too many complaints?) You can call them:
    1-800-638-1475 talk to customer service rep. or write:
    Life-Like Products Inc.
    1600 Union Ave.
    Baltimore, MD 21211

    Hope this helps [​IMG]

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  8. tunnel88

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    I don't know if calling them will work but i'll give it a try...
     
  9. watash

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    LifeLike may have a hidden web site, so far.
    BUT [​IMG]
    call 1-800-638-1475 (or 1-888-638-1475) and talk to a customer rep.

    mail to: LifeLike
    1600 Union Ave.
    Baltimore, MD 21211

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  10. watash

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    OOPS [​IMG] Sorry [​IMG] I didn't notice to go to page two!! [​IMG] Well, demerit!Rats! Back to Breakman!

    [This message has been edited by watash (edited 07 November 2000).]
     
  11. tunnel88

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    man you guys can't leave anything go. first people complain cause us n scalers got them first then they complain about 4 inches and when you divide that by 87 that is a big mistake i guess? isn't this thing better than any athearn release other than the genesis? at least they are using correct details and numbers on it, athearn can't even get the numbers right on some of the stuff i've seen. you shoulda seen the ones we got from atlas, the paint and details on everyone of them were wrong but as walthers says to us n scale doesn't matter, it's too small of a percent of the modell rr world to worry about.

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  13. tunnel88

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    Mopac, i think you missed the gist of this thread...

    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>And regarding knocking the product, i plan on buying these units even though i can't really run em either(ie, StickyMonk), i just wish they didn't have this fault...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I guess i'm just one of those perfectionists who want everything perfect... Maybe one day! [​IMG]
     
  14. BC Rail King

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    I have been to the Life Like site. I don't remember where it is though. Just save the effort and don't even look for it. It is the worst website I have ever seen.

    4", what does that work out to? Now be honest, when you walked in the store did you say "Wow! That nose is 4" to small!" I mean the Kato snoot had a big nose, that was noticable!

    Happy Railroading!

    Dane N. [​IMG]

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  15. tunnel88

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    [​IMG] Dane you revived an old topic that i look at a little different now...

    Yeah, the 4" isn't that much, but now there are a few other complaints floating around about the P2K SD60. One is that it's too slow.

    I guess that old line should be changed to "make it and they will criticize" [​IMG]
     
  16. BC Rail King

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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tunnel88:
    [​IMG] Dane you revived an old topic that i look at a little different now...

    Yeah, the 4" isn't that much, but now there are a few other complaints floating around about the P2K SD60. One is that it's too slow.

    I guess that old line should be changed to "make it and they will criticize" [​IMG]
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    LOL, or course it will be critiized, heck, I got 91% in Science, and my teachers commment was "There is room for improvement."

    The thing about it being to slow... It is about a scale 55-60MPH at FULL throttle, so if you are running a consist of only SD60s it is fine. I can be sympithetic with the comments if you wanna use an Athearn or something similar.

    PS-For some reason I saw a SD60 and Kato SD45 work reasonably well together. A prototypicle consist if you use CPR 5493, and SOO 6049

    Happy Railroading!

    Dane N. [​IMG]



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  17. dave f

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    I know someone that would not buy the sd60 cause of the 4 inches on the nose. I mean,come on, I just bought the loco and it performs and pulls better than all my other locos(and no I dont have bachmans,I have Atlas,and Athearn) and it has all those details. I mean if I was going to be that accurate I would simply take out the electric motor and somehow make a small "real" diesel engine and throw it in the shell(it would have that cool exhaust effect too!) But then the shell would melt so why not make the shell out of metal like the prototype?
     
  18. tunnel88

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    I read somewhere if you hardwire directly to a decoder on the P2K GPs/SDs that you will improve the speed range...
     
  19. Mankind

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    The four inch issue, the slowness issue, and the sideframe issue (they look too small when compared to Athearn or TSP HT-C's, at least to me) didn't stop me from buying the SD60. Without a dount, it's a nice model, the best of an SD60 done so far, and I hope they follow up with an SD50, which I could use even more of. But the fact remains it has flaws like any other diesel model, although thankfully, they aren't as bad as others that have squeaked through. I'm just picky, I guess...omigosh, I think I've become a rivet counter! [​IMG] Overall, most of the models shortcomings can be fixed, if one desires to do so. Peoples tastes vary; some run theirs out of the box, which is fine, and some, like me, totally re-detail and paint theirs to more accurately match a certain prototype, which is fine too. That's the neat thing about the hobby, there's something for everyone! [​IMG] Most of the cosmetic things that bugged me on the SD60 were easily fixed; the only thing that's really bothering me now is the speed issue. Supposedly, the gearing is way different then any other unit out there(even other P2k), which would mean doing the usual fixes, like yanking out the circuit board and/or remotoring, wouldn't have much effect. This stinks for me, since I had planned to use the 60's as pool power with the rest of my fleet. [​IMG] I dunno for sure, I'll have to take a close look at what's under the hood of the SD60 and do some experimentin'.....

    Paul #3

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  20. tunnel88

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    I'm familiar with the gearing issue as well... Maybe a decoder hardwired might be able to bring the unit closer to a 'normal' speed range? [​IMG] Anyway, tell us what you find...
     

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