Being a Santa Fe BNSF fan, I have locomotives in the following schemes... Santa Fe Blue Yellow Cat Whiskers Santa Fe Blue & Creamy Yellow Cat Whiskers Santa Fe Blue with Yellow Billboard large Santa Fe lettering Santa Fe Blue & Yellow War Bonnet Santa Fe Silver & Red War Bonnet Small Black lettering Santa Fe Silver & Yellow War Bonnet Small Black lettering Santa Fe Silver & Blue War Bonnet Small black lettering Santa Fe Silver & Red War Bonnet Super Fleet Large Red lettering Santa Fe & (Maersk) Silver & Lt.Blue War Bonnet BNSF Silver & Red War Bonnet BNSF Cream, Green & Red Executive scheme BNSF Cream, Green & Red Vomit Bonnet BNSF Heritage One BNSF Heritage Two BNSF Swoosh Black Power Bar BNSF Swoosh Yellow Power Bar If I have left something out , please add on. I would like to know...the origin for any of these schemes. I believe the very first War Bonnet scheme was a derivitive of the 1930's EMD Demonstrator scheme on some of the early EMD E Units ? When we get to some of the later BNSF paint jobs...is this the work of a team of people, the ideas and artwork of one person ? Inside BNSF ? or a private firm hired to develop BNSF locomotive artwork ? What has been the reason for BNSF to evolve the BNSF's schemes so many times ? I wonder if BNSF is going to evolve their current Swoosh scheme into another form ? I happen to really enjoy the Heritage Two scheme as I like the retention of the Cigar Band on the nose, without causing a nuclear war, that's just my opinion. I hope this turns out to be a fun, informative and Peaceful thread, PLEASE. fatalxsunrider43
The third is actually a Burlington Northern scheme, and when BNSF was formed, they just changed the lettering on the locos. Same with the BNSF silver and red war bonnet, old ATSF paint, new lettering. The Vomit Bonnet was using the war bonnet lines and the BN executive colors to see how it looked. The Maersk unit was for a photo on Cajon Pass, and the loco didn't stay in that paint scheme very long.
No, the first EMD demo units were just an olive green, nothing fancy. Then they gussied them up a bit with this scheme. Finally for the new streamlined E units, the Warbonnet was designed exclusively for the Santa Fe by Leland Knickerbocker of the General Motors Art and Color Section.
There is a guy on facebook who claims to have been the one who designed the BN cream, green and red scheme. Don't know how valid his claims are though. Here is a link to his page. http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/profile.php?id=1242080451&v=info
If he did design it, he did it back in 1990...being thats when BN-1 and 2 were built and painted. And according to his website and the about him section, he did the paint scheme in 1992. And in 1992, there was no SD70MACs, and BN was looking at getting SD60MACs, which had a different paint scheme all together.
I do...being he has no real proof that BN asked him to design the scheme. I'll have to check some of my BN annuals and see if I can find more info, but I'm positive that BN either designed the scheme in house.
I do not understand how someone can take credit for something they didnt do. They seek glory they cannot find on their own ? Kind of a shame. fatalxsunrider43
So flipped through a few of the Annuals, the BN executive scheme was first used on BN-1 and -2, the F9-2 AB set in 1990. The SD70MACs didn't appear until December 1993. And in the article about the 70MACs, there is no mention of who designed the scheme. I want to say it was done in house for the F9s. So I emailed him on facebook, as his email on the site fails... (email) I read on your website profile that BN asked you to design the paint scheme for the SD70MAC in 1992. However, the paint scheme already existed for the F9-2 AB set BN-1 and BN-2 in 1990. I'm trying to see how you designed a paint scheme 2 years after the scheme already existed, and a year before any SD70MACs even existed, as in 1992, BN was looking at SD60MACs.
There was also an E unit in that paint. I have color prints around here of the BN exec train in LA in 1993 during the Superbowl. IIRC, the rumor was the colors were suggested by Mr Grinstein's (then CEO of the BN) wife. Hence, Grinstein green and cream..
One mroe for you: While I dont know how they came up with the original Warbonnet, I understand the man responsible for putting it back on the engines (which leter went to BNSF) is the saem guy who developed the Southern Belle to be put back on the KCS engines.
IIRC, an ex-Amtrak SDP40F (bought & rebuilt by Santa Fe) was also painted in the Maersk scheme- I'm aware of at least one other diesel. Anyway, the aforementioned ex-Amtracker is now owned by Doyle McCormack, and can be seen in occasional service on the Portland & Western, still in the colors but without the Maersk lettering.
You're thinking about Mike Haverty. BTW, he didn't develop the "Southern Belle" paint scheme- that was used long before he came on the scene, on passenger diesel power. He WAS, however, instrumental in bringing it back to paint the newer six-axle power KCS and KCSdeM has. Slang term for this scheme is RetroBelle, and on the KCSdeM units it's also nicknamed Taco Belle.
Someone, Warren Buffet or Matt Rose needs to step up to the plate and rename the railroad, Santa Fe, with appropriate warbonnet colors and add some other paint schemes to the mix, such as GN, NP and CB & Q.
Why just ATSF? What about all of us BN fans? I'd rather see it come back as BN... I remember back in 1995 when all the magazines were telling railfans to go out and shoot pictures of Santa Fe as it won't be around much longer, yet another larger railroad was being merged with it, yet had very little mention in the press.
IMHO...BNSF satisfies both camps. At least (so far) it hasnt been renamed "Buffets Railroad" :tb-wacky: Or worse Buffets Ultimate Railroad Program !! :tb-wacky::tb-wacky: .
There are more of us................... Newsstand sales of rail mags go sky high when our beloved warbonnet appears on their covers. Can't say that about any other railroad.
hadn't heard the slang, and yes, I knew he hadn't designed the Belle, just figured it out to make it fit on the new engines (and that it was a good idea). (I thought here were some 4 axles that had it)
