KCS ALCO RS-1 paint scheme question

Discussion in 'Kansas City Southern' started by stefano, May 2, 2011.

  1. stefano

    stefano TrainBoard Member

    I have just add a model of the ALCO RS_1 road switcher of the Kansas city Southern.
    This loco has an overall red paint scheme
    I cannot find much informations around so i would please like to know if anybody can tell me when was this particoular paint scheme used?
    thanks very much for your reply
  2. BarstowRick

    BarstowRick TrainBoard Member TrainBoard Supporter

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  3. stefano

    stefano TrainBoard Member

    HI Barstowrick
    thanks again for the links
    unfortunately in the roster there is no such RS-1 loco 1112 so it will be difficoult to know for what time period the overall red paint scheme of the KCS is representative
  4. BarstowRick

    BarstowRick TrainBoard Member TrainBoard Supporter

    Interestingly, the makers and providers of Model Railroad equipment...ok...toys are providing a high number of fictitious or fantasy train engines, freight cars and passenger cars. There was a time when the market aka buyers synonymous with model railroaders, preferred only prototype equipment. What's changed is Toy train enthusiast's have joined the ranks of model railroaders, demanding the fantasy paint schemes. So, a work of caution is appropriate here and if you side with prototype, we will need to do our home work. Research, search and research some more. Fun Eh?
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  5. stefano

    stefano TrainBoard Member

    KCS paint scheme question

    I would very much like to know when was the overall red livery was introduced for KCS locomotive
    I have a model of the ALCO RS-1 loco switcher in red paint scheme that needs to be given a time period
    thanks for your effort
  6. friscobob

    friscobob Staff Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

    Rick and Stefano- yes indeed, the KCS did have RS1s. According to my copy of Lynch and Caileff's book "Kansas City Southern-Route of the Southern Belle", four RS1s were built in December 1943 for the KCS, lettered 1110-1113 and delivered in an all-black paint scheme. I have seen a picture of at least one of these units, the 1112, in an all-red scheme. There was also a KCS herald on the cab sides, with "KANSAS CITY SOUTHERN" spelled out on the long hood. This red scheme (the so-called "Deramus scheme") came out sometime after 1961, when William Deramus III became president of the railroad.

    So, most likely you may have a realistic paint scheme.

    If I had a picture of this model to look at & compare to the prototype photo I have from the book, I could definitely tell you yes or no.

    Hope this helps.
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  7. stefano

    stefano TrainBoard Member

    Hi Friscobob and Barstowrick
    thanks for your comments
    Do you have a vague idea of that time period this ALCO RS-1 unit 1112 was seen in the RED overall livery?
    thanks again
  8. stefano

    stefano TrainBoard Member

    I will try a bit later Rick here is dinner time almost now
    This is indeed a difficoult question to crack
  9. BarstowRick

    BarstowRick TrainBoard Member TrainBoard Supporter

    I couldn't agree more.
  10. bkayganich

    bkayganich New Member

    Only pic of an KCS RS-1 that I could find. It appears they never were painted red.

    Attached Files:

  11. Philip H

    Philip H TrainBoard Member

    The Deremus Red scheme started coming about in 1961 and 1962 on new loco orders, with a fairly aggressive repainting program for stuff in house. The White "Ghost" scheme came along in the 1970's - 1972 sticks in my mind as a start date, so your RS would have had red paint for roughly a decade, if it lasted that long in service. Here's a link to a roster with a few details:

  12. DanRaitz

    DanRaitz TrainBoard Member

    Only one RS1 #1112 received red paint. There is a photo of her on page 52 of Steve Allen Goen's "Kansas City Southern Color Pictorial" by Fours Way West Pub.

    According to Steve she only wore this color for 19 months before being traded in to EMD.
  13. bkayganich

    bkayganich New Member

    ATL-8114-RS1-KCS.jpg Here's a Atlas HO scale KCS RS-1 in the red #1112.

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