Unidentified equipment

Discussion in 'N Scale' started by Chaya, Jun 19, 2007.

  1. Chaya

    Chaya TrainBoard Supporter

    Among my other odd acquisitions from past years is a Roco crane with flatcar, sold as a ConCor and manufactured in Austria. Mine even has a correct paint scheme for ATSF in my year (1969)--but as far as I can tell, the Santa Fe never used anything like it. It also comes in a black ATSF scheme, a UP scheme, a PRR scheme, and several others. People are selling them on ebay, and other people are snapping them up. What in the heck are they? For instance--perhaps they are UP cranes, or perhaps Roco even got them from some Austrian prototype. (Or just made them up over a beer?) Perhaps I am overly concerned with details, but I would feel very odd having this strange crane on my ATSF layout.

    Does anyone else here have one of these, and has anyone figured out the story on them?
  2. BoxcabE50

    BoxcabE50 Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

    I'm trying to remember the story behind this item. I owned one years ago. Seems as though it was originally modeled on a European prototype?

    Not much else can be had. Except via scratch building, or bashing this one to look as desired.


    Boxcab E50
  3. AB&CRRone

    AB&CRRone TrainBoard Supporter

    I have an ATSF crane and boom car. Not sure of manufacturer (imported by AHM, made in Austria) and I've it 30 or more years. The crane is black with a boxcar red cab with ATSF white lettering. It has separate pegs (never used) to operate the crane. The boom car is a black flat with a support for the crane boom and boxcar car red sides. I never wondered about the prototype and it resides in a drawer most of the time.

    I bought a newer one painted all black, Con-Cor I think, but have not seen it lately. May have tossed it after using the 6-wheel trucks for something else.

  4. Chaya

    Chaya TrainBoard Supporter

    Yeah, it sorta looks European. It was bought as a gift for me about 10 or 11 years ago.

    I think the new Bachmann crane & tender looks pretty close to prototype. At least it's bashable--whereas this one would take an awful lot of work.

    It's kinda cute, tho. Maybe I should just try to relax and enjoy it. :teeth:
  5. Chaya

    Chaya TrainBoard Supporter

    I've only had mine around 10 years. Looking on ebay, it seems to me that this particular body type has been around in N scale for a long time. You obviously have an early one.

    Well, I'm just stumped. I really like to know what it is that I'm operating. :hmm4er:
  6. Frank Campagna

    Frank Campagna TrainBoard Member

  7. Grey One

    Grey One TrainBoard Supporter

    Use it stationary, (mounted on a platform), at a junk yard or some place.
  8. MP333

    MP333 TrainBoard Supporter

    ...Or letter it for a fictional line.
  9. oldrk

    oldrk TrainBoard Supporter

    picture please
  10. MRLdave

    MRLdave TrainBoard Member

    Virtually every railroad has at least one of those big cranes somewhere. I'm not sure about exact styles though. Bachmann sells a steam version of the crane you're talking about...... Montana Rail Link (which I model) has one of these cranes converted to diesel. The cab and chassis on the MRL is an almost exactly the same as the bachmann, but the boom is like the ConCor/AHM. Can you say "kitbash"! Take a Bachmann crane, cut off the smokestack, add a ConCor boom,a little paint, and it's a dead ringer for the real thing.....oh yeah....use the ConCor tender car.
  11. ljudice

    ljudice TrainBoard Member

    It's definitely a European prototype... Probably nothing like it still in service much of anywhere. There are still a few big hooks around but generally for big construction projects railroads use road-based machines and for wrecks they outsource to Hulcher and other who use sideboom rigged bulldozers.

    Of course there are surely exceptions!
  12. Chaya

    Chaya TrainBoard Supporter

    Per your request!

    As you can see, it has many features of the ATSF derrick and flatcar--but the shape of the body is all wrong. Kinda squarish...

    Attached Files:

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  13. Triplex

    Triplex TrainBoard Member

  14. Kenneth L. Anthony

    Kenneth L. Anthony TrainBoard Supporter

    I will have to look through my bibliograph of plans and photos of ATSF derricks to see if any are like this. Santa Fe had quite a roster of derricks.

    Derrick: roster of "big hooks"
    Santa Fe Modeler 3rdQ87 p.2

    Derrick GC&SF #1
    Work Eqpt Cars p.70

    Derrick #1774, burro crane on rails on flatcar deck
    Route of the Warbonnets p.62

    Derrick #1776, burro crane Trains May76 p.54

    Derrick #190017 with hand crane for rail load
    Work Eqpt Cars p.68

    Derrick #199654 blank end view
    Santa Fe Modeler 2Q90

    Derrick #199720 150 ton, bridge erection
    Santa Fe Modeler 2Q88 p.12
    Work Eqpt Cars p.66

    Derrick #199731 200-ton Bucyrus Erie
    data: Santa Fe Modeler MarApr81 p.10

    Derrick #199754 115-ton blt 1915
    pix Santa Fe Paint & Lettering Guide p.44
    pix 1970 at Cleburne, _ATSF Color Guide to Frt & Psgr Eqpt_ p.120
    Work Eqpt Cars p.71

    Derrick #199755 wood, 1911 pix
    Santa Fe Modeler MarApr79 p.29

    Derrick #199760 30 ton prototype and scratchbuilding article
    Model Railroader Jan56 p.32

    Derrick #199768 hand-operated 15 ton out of service 1940
    Work Eqpt Cars p.22

    Derrick #199771 100 ton
    Santa Fe Modeler MarApr81 p.6
    Santa Fe Paint & Letter Guide p.49
    Work Eqpt Cars p.76
    HO prize model: Warbonnet 3Q 04 p.13
    Construction article & proto pix p.14, color proto photo p.23

    Derrick #199773 120 ton assigned Silsbee
    Santa Fe Modeler MarApr81 p.18
    Work Eqpt Cars p.76,77

    Derrick #199774 120 ton, Industrial Works
    Santa Fe Modeler MarApr81 p.6,7,10,18.
    Santa Fe Modeler 3Q87 p.32
    redetailing DimiTrains N scale kit to #199774
    Santa Fe Modeler JanFeb82 p.9
    Work Eqpt Cars p.78

    Derrick #199775 in bridge erecting service
    Santa Fe Modeler 2Q88 p.11
    Work Eqpt Cars p.16,65,67,69

    Derrick #199776
    Work Eqpt Cars p.78

    Derrick #199778 prize model _Warbonnet_ 3Q 97 p.2

    Derrick #199779 assigned Silsbee
    Santa Fe Modeler 3Q87 p.32
    Work Eqpt Cars p.79

    Derrick #199780
    Work Eqpt Cars p.80

    Derrick #199781 120 ton, assigned Lubbock
    Santa Fe Modeler 3Q87 p.2
    Work Eqpt Cars cover, p.26,80

    Derrick #199782
    Work Eqpt Cars p.80

    Derrick #199783 120 ton
    Santa Fe Modeler MarApr81 p.6

    Derrick #199784
    Work Eqpt Cars p.74,81

    Derrick #199785 150 ton. kitbash article
    Santa Fe Modeler 3Q87 p.20-21

    Derrick #199786 150 ton, assigned Wellington
    Railroad Modeler Apr76 p.63
    Santa Fe Prototype Modeler Jan77
    Work Eqpt Cars p.81,82

    Derrick #199787
    overturned! Work Eqpt Cars p.89

    Derrick #199789 160 ton, assigned Arkansas City
    Railroad Modeler Apr76 p.64
    Work Eqpt Cars p.75

    Derrick #199790
    Work Eqpt Cars p.83

    Derrick #199791 200 ton, assigned Barstow
    Rail Classics Nov72 p.74
    kitbash AHM N-scale Model Railroader Apr77 p.54
    Work Eqpt Cars p.84

    Derrick #199792 200 ton, assigned Argentine
    Railroad Modeler Apr76 p.62
    Work Eqpt Cars p.85

    Derrick #199793 200 ton, assigned Newton, blt 1927
    Railroad Modeler Apr76 p.58,59,62
    pix, _ATSF Color Guide to Frt & Psgr Eqpt_ p.120
    Work Eqpt Cars p.18,74,85

    Derrick #199794 200 ton, assigned Corwith
    Railroad Modeler Apr76 p.61
    Work Eqpt Cars p.86

    Derrick #199795
    Work Eqpt Cars p.87

    Derrick #199796 200 ton, assigned Amarillo
    Railroad Modeler Apr76 p.63
    Work Eqpt Cars p.88

    Derrick #199797 blt 1931, assigned Temple
    pix, _ATSF Color Guide to Frt & Psgr Eqpt_ p.120
    Work Eqpt Cars p.88

    Derrick #199798 200 ton, assigned Clovis
    Railroad Modeler Apr76 p.61
    wreck at Melrose NMex,1959 Work Eqpt Cars p.6
    Work Eqpt Cars p.88

    Derrick #206718 WT-M (ex-TOFC) w hand derrick
    Work Eqpt Cars p.68

    Derrick tender 189115 HO prize model: Warbonnet 3Q 04 p.13
    Construction article & proto pix p.14, color proto photo p.23

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