I assume this term for a 4-8-2 (known as a 'Mountain' on most roads) was derived from some native american tribe?:lightbulb: What other NYC engine classes were there, and their wheel arrangements? I am asking since RFDTV had a great show on steam/diesel on NYC a few weeks ago. Bellfontaine, Marion, ect. i haven't finished the video yet, but it has great EARLY diesel action as well. The stars of the show are obviously the teakettles!:shade:
mohawks Bellefontaine was the Elkhart of the Big Four. During steam you had all wheel types. 0-8-0,2-8-2,2-8-4,4-8-2,4-6-4,4-6-2 and 4-8-4. As the diesels came all shapes and size,from 600 hp yard goats on up. At Marion,O. This was an Erie town ,the NYC had yard engines and locals. East bound from Marion you ran on B4 track to Galion and Erie track west bound back to Marion. LEW
mohawks The term Mohawk:The NYC was the Water Level Route Their engines did not run over the mountains. The Mohawk River in N.Y. LEW
And the river was named after the Mohawk Indian tribe. They had a little bit of "mountain" grades between Chicago and New York in western New York and northwest Pennsylvania. I believe they were something on the order of 0.75 percent with 4 degree curves, but only in the area around Dunkirk.
Wow, that was quick! Great Info! Based on the prototype I model, that is a flatland, straightaway!mg: I knew about the Water Level Route, but the Mohawk River was new to me. Thanks for clearing it up! On NYC, what were the 4-8-4's called? Northerns most roads, but NYC liked to be different.
You guys caught me napping. We have covered Mohawks--Hemi, you never heard of the Mohawk River? I lived alongside it as a kid in Little Falls, NY. We covered Niagaras, not to be confused with Mexican Niagras. What's missing? HUDSONs of course, named for that river that the Mohawk emptied into around Albany, that ran south to New York City. Niagaras were actually named for the river, not the falls. All named for rivers, along which the road ran in New York, and coined the phrase "The Water Level Route." There was a pretty good hill westbound out of Albany that required helpers. Great to see a new thread here. :teeth: :teeth:
There is also the steep hill and curve west out of Albany, NY station where the line climbed out of the Hudson Valley into the Mohawk Valley. Occasionally, even the Century needed a helper....mg: OOPS..you already said that, didn't you Jim.....sorry. :embarassed:
Apparently, there was good grade out of Bellefontaine, OH--they used to tack on the yard goat to assist up the hill. How heavy was that grade, anyone know? How long was it?
I half-expected Jim to jump all over this like Black Friday shoppers at 5 AM on a pallet of Xbox 360's...mg: Did NYC roster any 10-drivered engines? Anything larger than the Niagaras? Any articulateds?
mohawks From .7 to .75 %. On the west side of Bellefontaine they had speakers on the hill and they could tell by how hard the engine was working if they would need a helper into the yards. With 100 cars of grain and 2 sd-50 they would pull to the end of the amp meter.If you laid down on the hill you had 104 cars or more.That is figuring tonnage pretty close. LEW
LEW sent me a profile of the entire system and he knows what he's talking about. Listen to him. Hemi, I'm never on line at that terrible early time of the morning, so can't jump on the thread, he he. A 1.56% grade looks pretty awesome to a locomotive with 79 inch drivers. :teeth:
79" for the Hudsons, right? How tall were the Mohawk drivers? Seems they were at least 15" shorter. Not that the TV footage I saw would show the cab side data....
They had some 0-10-0s: http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/nyc7191.jpg and 0-8-8-0s with huge cylinders: http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/nyc8701.jpg
The 0-8-8-0 was a compound engine. That means it reused the steam from the rear cylinders in the front cylinders. Since the front cylinders had less pressure to use, they needed to be larger to make better power. What was the NYC's largest rigid engine?
mohawks They had 10 2-6-6-2 mallets,class NE-2g.Later numbers 1939-1948. The L-2,L-3 had 69" drivers and the L-4 72". L-2# 2700-2999, L-3 3000 ,L-4 3100 Boiler pressure L-2 225 lbs.,L-3,4 250 lbs. LEW
Thanks, LEW! What kind of tractive effort are we talking on the Mohawks? About 65000# or so? The NKP Berks rated about 64,000#...
mohawks The L-2,L-3 a little over 60000 lbs. and the L-4 59,900 lbs. With boosters 73,000. The L-4 was not equipped with a booster. When I fired during the 50s they used 3 stokers Hanna S-F ,Stanard BK and Standard HT. I always liked the HT. They used 3 feedwater heaters. Elesco,Coffin,and Worthington. The 29000-2949 were Big Four,2950 - 2999 were NYC 2800's were all NYC. LEW
