NYC 1887 bridge and Loco photo

rhensley_anderson Mar 4, 2007

  1. rhensley_anderson

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    1887
    Big Four Stock Express stock car going to the Yard while the B&B (Bridge and Building Dept.) gang watch. 1887 vintage (Cleveland).
    Lawrence Baggerly Collection.

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  2. Hytec

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    Great photo, Roger, thanks!

    It's amazing how that pile of "matchsticks" was able to support the locomotive. There doesn't appear to be any organization to the structure.
     
  3. Stourbridge Lion

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  4. Frank Campagna

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    Very nice picture!!! Actually, there is probably more support than needed. Looks like some of the supports are there to bolster construction/rebuilding work. Thanks Stourbridge Lion. Frank
     
  5. rhensley_anderson

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    Just exactly right. The bridge was under construction. Here is the next photo.

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  6. Mike Kmetz

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    Roger, any details about where in Cleveland that bridge was constructed? In the second picture, the end of a through truss bridge can be seen nearby.

    I'm guessing this was in "The Flats", the industrial area in the mouth of the Cuyahoga River, but there could be other possibilities. The "Flats" filled up with factories and steel mills served by something like eight railroads. There was a tangle of tracks and many draw bridges in later years. It was on the edge of this area that the Van Sweringen brothers built the Terminal Tower and the Cleveland Union Terminal.
     
  7. rhensley_anderson

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    I don't really have any idea, but what you say sounds good. :)
     
  8. pjb

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    Photo of Bridge Construction in Cleveland

    Gents:
    That is not taken in the west Cleveland 'Flats'
    because the gradients of rivers there were close
    to ground level or a few feet above same. There are
    many pix in the Cleveland State University's online
    collection that cover, among other things the building
    of Cleveland's Union Terminal and Terminal Tower.
    There is also a series of images related to the ICC
    valuation documents of carriers. Notable also are
    the Newburgh and South Shore photos, that appear
    to be a variant on the same.
    However, they have views taken in both directions at
    each grade crossing(rail and vehicle alike) that are
    a treasure house for what urbanized working class
    residential areas and commercial/manufacturing
    neighborhoods looked like.

    The date of the photo is incorrect. The type of
    large common carrier stock car shown
    did not then exist.
    The steel plate girder truss would have only been
    present as part of another form of bridge at
    that date. That is; fabricated steel plate girders
    were of a different appearance than the one in
    the image, and would only have been seen as
    part of a lift bridge span's short fixed portions.


    At the date indicated for these images, they
    would have used a form of through truss,
    because of both the state of technology, and the ease
    of transporting the components from the bridge
    fabricating company to the worksite. Massive
    steel plate girders were both more expensive
    to make as structurally sound units, and also
    would have been impossible to transport by
    rail at this point in time. I would guess this is
    a twentieth century image from some time in
    the first couple of decades of the century.
    Good-Luck, pjb
     
  9. rhensley_anderson

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    Interesting, if true.
     

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