Composition: Ideas, how-to, etc.

HemiAdda2d Oct 4, 2021

  1. HemiAdda2d

    HemiAdda2d Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

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    Allow me to start with the fact that I'm very much an amateur in some ways, and while I have a style that I call my own, I feel like I'm in a rut of the same shots all the time. I pretty well have the rule of thirds down, but leading lines, vanishing points and other compositional styles are not old hat yet. While I have been shooting trains for 20 plus years, I have only about 4-5 years of experience doing stuff a notch above snapshots. I find myself redoing views, sometimes for a better result because I flubbed the last one, or just because I can't think of another view at that spot.

    Studying composition books that explain how compositions should work doesn't always readily translate into railroad photography, at least in my mind. Sometime the bowl of apples or urban art can be substituted for a train, and sometimes not, at least the way I would understand it. What books would you recommend I read for a railfan perspective on photo composition?

    How do YOU compose a shot, any given shot, at any given location, and why do you choose the composition that you do?
    One way we can do this, is show a snapshot of the area. The spot would you shoot, can be a google streetview angle (although such doesn't exist off the paved roads in North Dakota), or whatever you have, even a cell phone camera shot. Explain where you'd want the train, what angle you desire the light to be, and why. What time of day is best? Is proper lighting on the subject possible, or is indirect light or an overcast day desirable for one reason or another? Why choose a glint shot over a traditionally-lit view? What composition rules would you apply in this spot and why?

    The way I figure it, we can learn from each other.

    I'll start.
    I've done a ton of photos at Soo Tower, in downtown Minot. It's close to home, easy to reach, and relatively numerous angles are possible.
    Here's the basic layout. The CP is single track, BNSF is double track, with the Amtrak depot.

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    From the Amtrak parking lot, mornings are best on eastbounds, but westbounds are possible too. A westbound passes under the Soo Tower signal bridge. I don't do this one much now as it's a bit overdone and Amtrak employees sometimes give me grief.

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    Opposite the tower is a vacant lot that MOW vehicles use from time to time. It's good on westbounds in summer, such as this transfer.

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    Another classic, overdone view is from the library lawn, on Amtrak. The light here when the train is on time is decidedly backlit with a touch to the south side of the train. The nose is never lit well when the train is on the advertised.

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    Looking the opposite direction at the CP from the same lawn position, we see a CP eastbound in the fog. Not a bad shot, but I haven't tried to get a well-lit eastbound here in some time, maybe it's time again.

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    Also from CP and on an earth embankment below a local furniture store, a CP eastbound winds thru the Soo Tower plant.

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    At night, Amtrak can be shot at Soo Tower. I bagged a time exposure of the #8 as it drifted to a station stop. Access west of the interlocking is poor, and lighting on Amtrak 8, even on time on the longest days of the year is nil at this spot. In fact, when the summer solstice leaves us in sunset skies as late as 2230, Amtrak is backlit here, but the north side of the diamonds shot (transfer) might work on 8. Will have to try that next June...

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    Westbounds on CP here are very nose-lit, but blue hour makes that less of an issue. From the library lawn, the heavy snow in the headlights was a nice bonus element in this one.

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    The Soo Tower plant looks more complicated when you telesmash it, such as this long 400mm view from the Amtrak platform. Like before, I minimize doing this one as being on the platform can cause trouble. The sunset glint was a nice element.

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    There's a dirt lot north of the track just east of the Amtrak depot. It has a nice ballast pile from which to gain an extra 5 feet of elevation. Here's a view of an eastbound with the 1904-built GN station in view.

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    Right at the signal bridge from the library lawn, an ultrawide angle lens can be used vertically. Wintertime leaves this part of the train lit from the side:

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    West of Soo Tower on CP, an eastbound takes a flashing yellow signal. The overcast snow day allowed this shot, which would not be lit properly, but the embankment on the ROW puts the shooter several feet below the train, not an optimal shot, although an ultrawide could be used to exaggerate the train from down low.

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    A westbound during blue hour can be used if you can bag the signal. From the library lawn (again):

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  2. Grey One

    Grey One TrainBoard Supporter

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    My mother was an artist of some renown and a teacher at 'The Museum School' of a major city. Long before we knew of my limited vision I was taught:
    * Balancing Positive and Negative spaces. This referes to both content and laight and dark areas. My narrow field of vision aids me in this as I am not distracted by objects in the periphery. Based on her surprise / feedback I quickly learned what balence is.
    So, even if you like a photo and you don't know why? Most likely it is because of the balence.
    In general balence is 'equal parts of light and dark or subject / non-subject matter'.

    * Subject matter, Relevance and Audience - No matter how good the photo I doubt folk here want a shot of my family unless there is a train taking up most of the image.
    The detail shot of the fron't end of an SD45 or an F4 Phantom are interesting at least in passing but only one fo the two belong here, (unless there is a train in the pic).

    * Different - Whoa! I haven't seen that before! Does not matter how bad the shot if it is down right unique. Bad grammer does not bother folks if it is in keeping with the style of the message. Same goes for photos.

    * Color - Is irrelevant. Some of the greatest photos were taken long before color was available. Yes, a pic of a Heritage KCS loco needs color to appriciate the impact. How about a BNSF? Two colors - black and white / grey scale do just fine.

    * Excuses - "It is a poor musician that blames the violin." Excuses were not tolerated in my home. Yes, all you have is a circa 2015 cell phone. So? Some people use pin hole cameras. What's your point?
    * Balance
    * Relevance
    * Uniqueness
    So I was taught.

    Edit: Educational / Description - If the goal is to communicate a concept then other factors take a 2ndary or 3rtiary position.
    From @HemiAdda2d I have learned terms:
    * Elephant Style - 2 or more locos nose to tail
    * Bookends - 2 Locos nose to nose
    * Blue time - Early evning on a clear night
    * BNSF Brown Worm - (string of red/brown 2 bay covered hoppers)
    * How to identify loaded cars
    So, a long explanation may bring a 'new light' to an otherwise so so photo, (note: most of Hemi's are great). Don't let him fool ya.
     
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  3. Hardcoaler

    Hardcoaler TrainBoard Member

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    One of the challenges that makes railroad photography often more difficult than other subjects is that we must first imagine what the composition will look like when the train arrives. How large will it loom in the viewfinder? When shall I trip the shutter? At what speed will the train pass? Will a shadow be cast on the main subject? Will a bright headlight trick the light meter into a wrong reading? Is there a more favorable location nearby? Is there a "prop" I can work in? And, most importantly, is this spot a safe one to stand at as the train passes?

    Our photo opportunities are often "one shot" deals. It pays to think these things through.

    Still, there're things I overlook, like stupid trees. :unsure:

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  4. Hardcoaler

    Hardcoaler TrainBoard Member

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    How many of y'all have suffered from "Buck Fever", with hands shaking as you prepare to shoot an extraordinary composition? :) It's happened to me numerous times and is more prevalent if I haven't been trackside in a long time.
     
  5. HemiAdda2d

    HemiAdda2d Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

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    Aw, shucks, Steve, thank you!(y)
    I need to look more into balance and positive and negative space. I really don't understand it, whether or not my work looks like I do.o_O
    FWIW, blue hour is that rough hour before sunrise and after sunset. Golden hour is a rough hour before sunset and after sunrise. All are opportune times to shoot, for unique color saturation, light angles, or shadows.

    To start, Hardcoaler's comment about safety is paramount. You can easily become so preoccupied and get tunnel vision concentrating on your shot to realize you might be in a dangerous position. I have seen loads dislodged, loose and flapping in the breeze. These loads can knock you off your feet, or at worst, cut you in half. Never a good idea to be closer than 10 feet of the rail, especially with freight trains. There's not many compositions that are desirable when you are only a few feet from the tracks. I like long teles, so they look like I'm standing on the track, but due to a curve you cannot see, I'm safely clear. The crews get excited (and not in a good way), when they see people close to the tracks. The strange thing about getting hit by a train is you nearly always lose. Train crews suffer PTSD following a fatality, just like police, paramedics, military, and firefighters do in their lines of work. No photo is worth your life.

    Shadows: wire, poles and trees can cast shadows on the subject and they are hard to predict. Imagining the photo ahead of time is a challenge--especially if working before sunrise for the sun cresting the horizon in just the right spot. I haven't mastered that, by a long shot. In many ways, I'm still an amateur. If you have examples of balance being on or off, even in my pics above, please call it out. I'd love to know where things went right and wrong.

    The photo props are something I'm learning to work in. Fence posts, pole lines, trees, tractors, flowers, leaves, even people can be quality photo props.
    The bright headlight throwing off your exposure is less a problem in daylight than it is during blue hour or dark night. The closer you are in line with the loco's ditch or headlights (such as in line with a curve), the more prevalent this exposure error can be. Take several test shots with your chosen composition, and if in line with the lights, compensate a full stop or two down.

    As an example, I must have shot 20 test shots, adjusting the the exposure for this shot. The sun had already set and blue hour was rapidly darkening. Right before train time, the light was rapidly changing, but due to the headlights and some expected glint of the hoppers on the next track, I compensated down a full stop or 1.5 stops, just as a precaution. Before train time, my ISO read 8000, but the final exposure was only ISO 4000, shutter speed 1/250 sec and wide open aperture at f/1.8. The headlights made the difference.

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    Hardcoaler TrainBoard Member

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    Then there's this kind of thing that's impossible to foresee and sadly a composition I can't revisit. Perfect light, and wham. [Kodachrome, Thompsontown, PA 10/16/1995]

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  7. Hardcoaler

    Hardcoaler TrainBoard Member

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    That's something I need to do more often. I adjust Stops so rarely, that I need to break out the instruction book to work it.
     
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  8. Grey One

    Grey One TrainBoard Supporter

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    Shadows: While you can't always prdict the result you can predict where it will be:
    Shadows 'move' at 15 degrees an hour.
    Sunrise / Sunset: The time of - on average - will change at a rate of *about* .75 minutes per day, (in Boston). So every 4 days the sun will rise or set, (depending on time of year), 3 minutes sooner or later.
    Hope this helps.

    Edit: Wait someone, (in this thread), said something about straight on to the head/ditch lights. Got it. Will try tonight to avoid that. Thanks! Still, the moon may not cooperate.
     
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    Oh, is *that* what that is called? I use a tripod when I can but they are not allowed on MBTA property so *in general* I use the closest vertical post or horizontal surface to stabilize my cell phone.
     
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    Grey One TrainBoard Supporter

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    Here is a good example of a bad shot:
    1) Grainy - Ewww, Doesn't matter that it is an
    * Extract of a video
    * At night
    * From a cell phone.
    * Reduced from 40XX to 1024
    2) Tilted, yes, the train is on super elevated track but if you note the railing my shot is tilted, (most likely I was trying to compensate for the lean of the train),
    3) Blurred headlight - Caused by shooting straight ait it.
    4) I have posted it 3 times now. Bad manners, bad / bad / bad

    Redeeming Quality:
    Full moon over head for interest
    Composition, It is more or less well balanced / centered top / bottom
    Good example of what not to do.
     

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  11. HemiAdda2d

    HemiAdda2d Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

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    You're absolutely correct. Hard to predict this, and no windshield on a modern locomotive built today is perfectly vertical, much less the same angle, so it is very hard to predict.
    Didn't have that problem with second-gen EMDs and U-Boats! :)
     
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    Grey One TrainBoard Supporter

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    @Hardcoaler Ya, I feel for you. I have had shots ruined by the unexpected. One resulted in a nice accidental 'trick photography' and I had a 4 buildings tall T-Rex moving down Main Street.
    I was just trying to get the dino but a door opened and splashed my SLR wtih light. In doing so it obscured the base of the dino and foreshortened the depth of field placing the dino in the middle of town! I was *never* able to reproduce it. Argh!
     
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    There's times you take a photo just cuz.
    This time L&N parked a Big Emma (L&N's Class M-1 2-8-4) tender to support a steam pile driver.
    We lived nearby, so in the evening why not let the boys climb on it to show how huge Big Emma was.

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  14. Hardcoaler

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    Here in the east where many lines operate through a "tunnel of trees", it's sometimes hard to find locations that include a prop, let alone one that indicates where the shot was taken. As I walked the platform in Columbia, SC, this shot came about. [09/07/2021]

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    I forgot to mention another aspect of improved rail photography (to me at least) and that's to back away from the subject matter if it's possible (and sometimes it's not). Give some breathing room in the frame to set the stage so that viewers are better understand where the shot was taken and what they're looking at. It also permits editing to adjust your subject matter. In other words, don't do this [08/1981 Des Plaines, IL]: :oops:

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