SP/SSW Did SP ever have Alco PA's in Black Widow paint?

DCESharkman Apr 5, 2014

  1. DCESharkman

    DCESharkman TrainBoard Member

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    Hi,

    I was wondering if Southern Pacific ever painted a set of Alcos in Black Widow colors? I really want to get a set painted that way, but not if it is going to be totally wrong. It is acceptable if they only had it for a very short time.

    A picture would be great, I have not been able to find one thus far in my searches.

    Thanks!
     
  2. r_i_straw

    r_i_straw Staff Member

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    I do not believe they ever were painted in Black Widow. There was a short lived "Halloween" scheme that was similar. However, Con Cor painted some up for us. :)
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  3. Flash Blackman

    Flash Blackman Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

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    Agreed. Per Richard Percy's "My Espee Modelers Home Page," no evidence of ever having been a Black Widow PA. But, I agree with Russell, don't let that stop you. There should have been one, you know?
     
  4. BarstowRick

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    Yep, they got three different paint jobs but none of them was the Black Widow. They were: Daylight, Halloween, and Bloody Nose. Although I agree, they should have so go ahead.

    This is how I remember them (that is with what memory I have left...grin) : http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=305846
    My favorite paint scheme: http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=275331

    You can do your own search: https://search.yahoo.com/search;_yl...+Pacific+Locomotive+Images&fr=sfp&fr2=&iscqry=

    I hope that helps.
     
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  5. bremner

    bremner Staff Member

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  6. Mr. SP

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    As has been said NONE of Espee's Alco PA's were painted in "Black Widow paint" Some had a "Holloween"paint for a while but eventually ALL got the Red & Grey "Bloody Nose" paint.
    Espee did paint two EMD E-9's in "Black Widow" while experemetning with new paint schemes in 1958.
    Passenger power was the first to get the Red & Grey paint.
     
  7. DCESharkman

    DCESharkman TrainBoard Member

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    Thanks Everyone,

    All my SP modeling is prior to the grey and red nose scheme. Well I have an ABB set of unpainted Alco's, I guess I will go ahead and paint up the set in Black Widow. I have both E9's on Black Widow as well as all my F units are Black Widow, What isn't Black Widow is either Tiger Stripe of Daylight scheme. It would have been that way if I was the President of Southern Pacific. So into the paint booth these will go!
     
  8. JKramer328

    JKramer328 TrainBoard Member

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    These are only some of my Black Widow Southern Pacific engines in their Con-Cor storage box. I do have a Pa-1 in Black Widow scheme. These are part of Willamette Regional Railway engines.My CabFoward AC-11 will never see Black Widow paint,although I have thought of converting some Amtrak engines to Black Widow. 2014-06-08_19-12-08_239.jpg 2014-05-31_18-59-25_982.jpg 2014-06-03_16-30-24_194.jpg
     
  9. SouthPawGandyDancer

    SouthPawGandyDancer New Member

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    RR Modelers' Rule#1:

    "MY RR, MY Rules...(!)"
     
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  10. SouthPawGandyDancer

    SouthPawGandyDancer New Member

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    PS: (Just remember to add the snowplow & icicle breakers;)!)
     
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  11. DCESharkman

    DCESharkman TrainBoard Member

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    SP did not have PA's in Black Widow, and only 2 numbers in E units.
     
  12. bremner

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    E9A's 6048 and 6050 received full Black Widow paint in 1958, but only wore it for a short time.
     
  13. Des Moines Rocket

    Des Moines Rocket TrainBoard Member

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    Glad to see someone painting those SP PAs in the Black Widow scheme. I think it's quite a stunning paint scheme.

    Whilst I never have modeled the SP, my Dad took me to the local hobby shop back in the early 80s when the N scale Con-Cor PAs were released. He gave me my choice of paint schemes to pick out for a PA and a PB. It came down to SP Black Widow and Great Northern Empire Builder schemes. I KNOW, I KNOW, these were not prototypical. But it was my layout, and hey, Dad was buying. So...Great Northern it was. I still have those 2 locomotives today, though I have not run them in years.

    I like SouthPawGandyDancer's RR Modeler's Rule #1 above.

    Good luck with the paint project!
     
  14. SouthPawGandyDancer

    SouthPawGandyDancer New Member

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    & yes, Richard Percy's site is the best free resource around. Annual NMRA membership includes free membership @ CSRM.org's Archive & Library, + SPHTS. org is also worth a membership, esp. since theJthe author of so many SP Locomotive Annual (report)s, Joseph Strapac is their most recent Archivist;)!
     

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