ERIE RR , E-L , EL RR ?

jtomstarr May 16, 2021

  1. jtomstarr

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    All ,
    Is there anyone here who MODELS The E- L , EL - ERIE LACKAWANNA RR ? I have Messaged THEErie Lackawanna Railroad Historical Society via their faceb. page https://www.facebook.com/pages/cate...nna-Railroad-Historical-Society-250570050692/ Back in
    5/12/15, 2:08 PM
    > Would anyone here happen to have a map of the segment(s) damages by Hurricane Agnes ? I am working on a EL Scenario . My Question here gone unanswered since 2015 !

    Tom
     
  2. Hardcoaler

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    You might want to try their website at https://erielackhs.org/contact/

    Or for non-membership topics, write to

    Erie Lackawanna Railroad Historical Society
    P.O. Box 431
    Avoca, NY 14809

    They produce a first-rate magazine.
     
  3. x600

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    Hi Tom. I do Lackawanna and Erie- Lackawanna I must have missed your question way back in 015.
    ELRRHS also has an email chat list for posting questions and getting answers from former employees and rabid fans
    like me.
    What was your original question? Imight be able to help, I have an extensive DL&W and E-L Library so if I don't know
    I can look it up.

    Greb O.
    ELRRHS #2887
     
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  4. jtomstarr

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    Greg,
    Here is the question I asked back in MAY 2015 . > Would anyone here happen to have a map of the segment(s) damages by Hurricane Agnes and Diane? I am working on a EL scenario .<

    Tom
     
  5. Hardcoaler

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    I've never seen a map of hurricane damage, but perhaps Greg has. You might also be able to glean information from the September 1955 DL&W employee's magazine here:

    http://content.lackawannadigitalarchives.org/cdm/compoundobject/collection/Diane/id/80/rec/8

    and its Erie counterpart here:

    http://content.lackawannadigitalarchives.org/cdm/compoundobject/collection/Diane/id/117/rec/1

    I'm surprised at the dearth of DL&W/Erie hurricane damage photos on the Internet, as I've seen plenty of them in publications over the years, tho I can't remember where.
     
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  6. x600

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    Hi Tom, I never heard of or seen any map of the damage, only some of the printed accounts of the damage.
    The links that Hardcoaler posted of the Erie and Lackawanna Publications shows some of the damaged sections of ROW.
    The DL&W Line over the Poconos was cut into as many as 80 separate sections, there was also extensive damage to parts of the Bloomsburg branch, and the Bangor and Portland branch.
    Agnes damage was mostly in upstate NY and along the Bloomsburg branch.
    I'm not sure what you are planning but any topographical map or google earth views of the areas hit would give you clues as to specific spots damaged,
    cross referenced with the locations in the photos posted at the linked publications above. There are pictures on line that I have seen of damage in the Scranton "Flats" section but I don't remember where they were , possibly saw them in a google or bing search a few years ago. I have a book entitled
    "Devastation on the Delaware that has a wealth of stories and photos, but mostly along the Delaware River .
    I am curious as to what your project is.
    I will post your question to our email list and see if I can get any more information.

    Greg O.
     
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  7. x600

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    A few things have conspired to find somewhat of an answer to your question about a map of hurricane damage.
    I have been in the market for the book The Delaware, Lackawanna & Western Railroad In The Twentieth Century
    Vol 1

    I found a copy that was reasonably priced so I ordered it for a birthday present to myself. In the mean time I got a reply that a diagram was in
    it with damage information from hurricane Diane. The book came today, so naturally I dropped everything and sat down with it.
    On page 136 there is a diagram with numbers corresponding to information about the damage along the railroad between the Water Gap and Scranton, with a few insets of damage in other areas. There are several pages of Ariel photos of the destruction.
    This completes my book collection on the DL&W, as the three volume set by Thomas Townsend Tabor is the most complete historical account of
    the Lackawanna.
    An interesting side note is that I found inside , a DL&W time table/ fare schedule dated May 19 1901 , 120 years ago on my birthday!

    Best I could do, Tom, hope it helps.
     
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    Hi Greg,

    Cool that you found that! I have that book and it was right under my nose, yet I didn't think of looking there. :rolleyes:

    I wish I'd bough the other two volumes in around 1980 when I bought the one I have. Mine is No. 2882, so the press run on these must have been pretty lean. As you know, these are super fine books on heavy paper with excellent photo reproduction.
     
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    I had the other two of the Steamtown reprints, but vol 1 is from first printing #1176. I just got back from visiting family in Scranton.
    I stayed at the station hotel and of course visited Steamtown. I picked up a few new paperback books on the DL&W and railroads in NEPA
    to read on the flight back. We took a walk on the CNJ trail in South Scranton. It was fun to tell stories to my nephew of how we used to play and explore that area as kids in the 60s. It sure has changed, but for the better.
     
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  10. BoxcabE50

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    Hey, Greg! Here's something that might interest you, from that same area you just visited: https://train-orders.com/TOUR/D/DLW/DLW.html
     
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    Wow Ken, that's a magnificent DL&W collection! So many storied locations, so very cool. The one from Montclair, NJ is interesting because it informs crews of deenergized catenary. You have one from Netcong, NJ too, protecting L&HR movements for interchange. Netcong is on the "old road", kept in service after the Cutoff was built. The old road outlived the Cutoff. I took this shot of the Netcong station 07/18/1985.

    1985-07-18 Netcong NJ - for upload.jpg
     
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    Tom: I also model the EL and I lived through the devastation of Agnes in the Southern Tier of NY. That said, I have not found any detailed write ups on the damage from Agnes. I know that Agnes accelerated the removal of the old DLW main from Binghamton west to Corning. Mainline traffic moved to the former Erie main in 1960 following the merger, but the old DLW was still in use for switching industries on the south side of the Susquehanna river up to that point.

    Another interesting site with EL information and pictures is George Orwell's magnificent "Fallen Flags" website. If you aren't familiar, here's a link:
    Fallen Flag Railroad Photos (rr-fallenflags.org)
     
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    Hey, Thanks Ken, Cool stuff on that link.
     
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