NYC Lake Shore & Michigan Southern RY in Toledo, Ohio???

BoxcabE50 Oct 16, 2023

  1. BoxcabE50

    BoxcabE50 HOn30 & N Scales Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

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    I'd like to find information about the LS&MS in Toledo. Specifically about what interlocking towers they had in that city. Trying to unravel a small mystery about the name of one site, and where it was located. Wishful thinking- An old employee timetable would be a gold mine of data.............

    Any NYC RR fans have some connections?
     
  2. Hardcoaler

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    I found these that may fit, but there could be more.

    Alexis - Toledo NYC/C&O/AA
    Broadway - Toledo NYC/NKP
    Fawcett Street - Toledo NYC
    K - North Toledo NYC (MC)/TT
    Maumee River Bridge - Toledo NYC
    Nasby (AV) - Toledo NYC/TT
    Oakdale - NYC
    Stanley (SA) - Toledo NYC
    Swan Creek - Toledo NYC
    Vickers - NYC/TT
    Vulcan - LS&MS/TT
    Wabash (Crossing) - NYC/WAB
    Z - Toledo NYC
     
  3. Hardcoaler

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    I also messaged you with a detailed map of Toledo's railroads with all of the old lines.
     
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  4. dti406

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    I have a detailed map of the Toledo Terminal Railroad in 1923 with all the connecting lines and towers and roundhouses on it, I would have to have it scanned as it is a large map. I will see if I can scan it at work and create a PDF since we have a large printer for doing plans.

    You realize that the Miami and Erie canal went over the LS&MS and is now the Anthony Wayne Trail road in Toledo and still goes over the old LS&MS.

    Rick Jesionowski
     
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  5. BoxcabE50

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    Such a map might just have the answers I seek! (y)
     
  6. gmorider

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    Ahhh, the esoteric answer seeker. I feel you. Good luck.
     
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  7. BnOEngrRick

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    Got any street names or cross-railroads to help?

    As a side note, the Miami & Erie Canal bed is the back border of my property.
     
  8. BoxcabE50

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    https://train-orders.com/TOUR/L/LSMS/05.jpg

    https://train-orders.com/TOUR/L/LSMS/06.jpg

    Trying to unravel these two train orders. The first looks like it was copied at "WC". The second looks like "WO". I am fairly certain this is "Wagon Works Junction". Is the "WC" a sloppy "WO"? Or is the "WO" a sloppy "WC"? "WO" seems like a logical telegraph call. But....?????
     
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  9. dti406

    dti406 TrainBoard Member

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    Attached is a scan of the Toledo Terminal trackage and connections in Toledo
     

    Attached Files:

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  10. dti406

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    If you follow the NYC line down from Detroit, the Wagon Works is where the Michigan Central diverged from the LS&MS, there was no tower as they were the same railroad, see the attached website how Wagon Works got its name and the location on the map above.

    https://www.michiganrailroads.com/stories/6865-wagon-works-junction

    Rick Jesionowski
     
  11. BoxcabE50

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    This does help, Rick. Thank you.

    There had to have been some sort of structure housing a telegraph operator, who copied those papers I linked in my earlier post. Usually at such a location, it was a tower of some unknown construction. At the date they were issued, (1800s) LS&MS and the MC were separate companies. LS&MS into NYC in 1914. Many years later, MC into NYC.
     
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  13. BoxcabE50

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    Some interesting information contained here! Thanks!

    Now, if only that LS&MS document mentioned would surface. That would be very interesting!
     
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  14. Hardcoaler

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    No doubt about it, that LS&MS Op/Agent had terrible penmanship. :oops:
     
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