live steam in HO

atsfrio May 19, 2009

  1. atsfrio

    atsfrio TrainBoard Member

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    I am thinking of adding a z scale oval onto my ho scale layout as a live steam oval. Has anybody done or heard of this before? Tell me if you think this is a good or bad idea.
     
  2. Geep_fan

    Geep_fan TrainBoard Member

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    Hornby makes live steam in OO scale but thats as small as it gets.

    Live steam in Z is impossible.
     
  3. atsfrio

    atsfrio TrainBoard Member

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    misunderstanding.

    I think we had a misunderstanding. What I meant was that I would use the Z scale set as a Gscale garden railroad on my HO layout.(this is very hard to explain)
     
  4. EricB

    EricB TrainBoard Member

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    I read an article once where a modeller used a Bachman On30 Porter on a G scale layout to represent a 7/8" scale kiddie ride. He cut out part of the roof of the Porter, put in a stool and sat an engineer in there. He also used On30 rolling stock converted to carry the passengers around. It was pretty neat.

    I think Z scale could work for what you are looking for. Plop a figure down on the tender of one of the locos, put some seats in a gondola or on a flat, and have at it. Sound like a neat idea.

    Eric
     
  5. Geep_fan

    Geep_fan TrainBoard Member

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    Sounds great to me
     
  6. atsfrio

    atsfrio TrainBoard Member

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    exactly

    Except for the scales thats exactly what I'm talking about. Thanks.
     
  7. BoxcabE50

    BoxcabE50 HOn30 & N Scales Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

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    Yes, this has been done. A notable example- In the last years of his life, John Allen did this on his famous Gorre & Daphetid. However, his was I believe scratchbuilt, not necessarily using Z.

    Someone here at TrainBoard posted a view of such an effort, built on an NTrak module. I do not recall who?

    Boxcab E50
     
  8. atsfrio

    atsfrio TrainBoard Member

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    N

    Do you think N scale could work?
     
  9. Geep_fan

    Geep_fan TrainBoard Member

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    eh....

    N scale compared to HO is kinda like narrow gauge not a park layout.
     
  10. atsfrio

    atsfrio TrainBoard Member

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    Z scale

    I guess Ill go with Z scale then thanks.
     
  11. EricB

    EricB TrainBoard Member

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    I did some rough calculations and came up with a comparison of Z scale in HO. Z scale rolling stock would be about a 5" scale in HO. Here's how I got there:

    A 40' boxcar in HO is about 5.5 inches.
    A 40' Z scale car is about 2.2 inches.

    A 1" scale means that 1" = 1'. So here, we need to know inches per foot are needed to make 5.5 scale to 2.2.

    5.5 * X(scale)/12 in = 2.2 Solve for X.

    X= approx 5.

    That would be a very large live steam operation. In real life, a 40' car would be 16' 8" long. That sounds more like an estate type railroad than a kiddie ride. Do some of the Z scalers here have an HO figure they could put next to some Z scale stock and post a photo here. That would give a good size reference.

    Eric

    PS - If my math is jacked - please let me know. I don't want to look like a fool
     
  12. atsfrio

    atsfrio TrainBoard Member

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    z scale

    Im hoping it will work but if it wont I guess Ill just have to get one that is in the right scale but doesnt operate. Maybe I can find some really short Z scale cars.






    PS You must be really good at math.
     
  13. Mike VE2TRV

    Mike VE2TRV TrainBoard Member

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    I figure that Z scale compared to HO would be 87.1/220 or about 1:2.5 scale, or about ten times too large for a HO-sized G scale operation (is it me or it's getting pretty confusing?).

    1:2.5 scale would be a large kiddie or amusement park ride, something like the photo attached here (photo taken in a zoo back in 1972).
     

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  14. atsfrio

    atsfrio TrainBoard Member

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    EXACTLY

    That exactly what I'm going for. So I guess Ill just sart looking for some z stuff. Thanks for all the help guys
     
  15. Ronzzr11

    Ronzzr11 TrainBoard Member

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    I have both Z and HO locomotives, so I took a couple of photos for you, comparing both HO and Z scale locos, plus a figure and a car to give you a good idea how they match up.The 0-6-0 switcher is the smallest locomotive that Marklin make.
    If you do decide to get a Z scale locomotive to run on your HO layout, then I would suggest you go for a starter set.
    Ron
     

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  16. atsfrio

    atsfrio TrainBoard Member

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    z-ho

    Ill probably get the 0-6-0 because it looks like it would be on a kiddie ride. thanks
     
  17. Mike VE2TRV

    Mike VE2TRV TrainBoard Member

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    That's looks just about the size of the ride as I remember it. I was 9 years old at the time!
     
  18. atsfrio

    atsfrio TrainBoard Member

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    work

    then it will work.
     
  19. pjb

    pjb E-Mail Bounces

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    Use 'T' scale for 1& half inch scale

    As far as I know all the 'T' gauge stuff ( 3mm gauge
    track) only comes as EMUs , but if you want a kiddie
    ride adapting it makes sense? Quien Sabe?
    PJB
     
  20. tmanloconut

    tmanloconut TrainBoard Member

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    Hi ,I am a member of the Metrolina Model Railroaders. We have a HO portible layout. we built a 8' carnival section . There are 5 operating carnival rides. and 1 carnival train. I used N Scale to make it, Kato track in a figure 8. Kato steam engine. and model power heavy weight passenger cars. mounted person in tender (Operator), used HO passenger seats in cars with seated figures.
    Check us out on the web at metrolinamodelrailroaders.org thanks Jt
     

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