need to find info on UPs aux tender on 3985

Dan Ryan Jul 17, 2008

  1. Dan Ryan

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    I was wondering if any 1 knows any info on the aux tenders that follow 3985. Im collecting the set of excrusion run,but wanna scratch build/kitbash to make the tenders that followed 3985.Any info would be cool,thank you all
     
  2. HemiAdda2d

    HemiAdda2d Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

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    What do you wanna know?

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  3. Dan Ryan

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    i wanna find dimensions or any info on possable existing models tenders that mite be suitable kitbash victom. Or just info to try and scratch build 2 of the tenders
     
  4. HemiAdda2d

    HemiAdda2d Staff Member TrainBoard Supporter

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    I used to be in Cheyenne, and chased everytime the UP Steam Crew left town. I miss those chases...
    The person to ask is Alaska GP49. He may be able to get you some dimensions. PM him, and hopefully he can help.
     
  5. friscobob

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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the aux. tenders come from retired gas-turbine locomotives?

    BTW- I miss chasing the UP over Sherman Hill too...........
     
  6. Dan Ryan

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    yes I think they did,I tryed google-it but dont get far just a few images
     
  7. ShastaFan

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    This may or may not help, but with a project like yours, there's no such thing as too much information!

    This ex-turbine tender was used as a fuel tank by the UP in the 70's and was usually parked near Colton Tower, CA.

    John

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  8. Triplex

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    And didn't the turbine tenders come from FEF-1s? Obviously modified (no coal bunker).
     
  9. Dan Ryan

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    Ya i think thats where they started,but iv been googling it but still no drawings there,im still looking
     
  10. Dan Ryan

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    Im at this point looking for lenght and hight,or more info,i think i cna kitbash it from the fef tender
     
  11. HemiAdda2d

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  12. Dan Ryan

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    those are great pics,thank you. Iv been doing some drawing on turbocad and guessing from pictures . I found this info--UP's "Steam Team" Water Cars
    This page was last updated on May 11, 2008.
    Union Pacific has used three retired GTE tenders as water cars to extend the range of the road's two operating steam locomotives, 844 and 3985.
    Two different types of tenders were used on the GTEL-8500 locomotives. One was uninsulated, classified as 23-C-GTE, and was rebuilt from 19-C tenders from retired 3800-class Challengers. The other design (UPP 809 and 814) was insulated, classified as 24-C-GTE, and was rebuilt from 20-C tenders from retired FEF-1 class 800-series 4-8-4 Northerns. The latter insulated tenders were smooth-sided.
    Water Car — 2 cars
    UP, 1960
    Car
    Number
    Previous
    Number
    Notes and Disposition
    UPP 809
    907856
    From 907856 in early May 2003 (photo on May 13, 2003); official renumber date is August 1, 2003
    UPP 814
    907857
    From 907857 on July 30, 2003
    Description:
    Length, Over Buffers:
    Length, Over Coupler Pulling Faces: 46'-5"
    Length, Over End Sills:
    Length, Inside:
    Truck Centers: 23'-5"
    Truck Style: 6 wheel (10'-0" wheelbase)
    General Notes:
    a.
    24,000 gallons capacity, changed upon restoration to 28,000 gallon capacity
    b.
    Converted from retired GTEL-8500 insulated, smooth-sided tender, class 24-C-GTE
    c.
    In December 2005 work began to convert UPP 814 from GTE fuel configuration, to a restored steam tender configuration for dedicated water service. Work was completed in July 2006 with the car being fully painted in UP's standard yellow and gray scheme and named for Joe Jordan, a much respected member of UP's "Steam Team". He was the team's pipefitter, until his retirement from the steam shop in 1993. Work was performed by Wasatch Railroad Contractors. (click here for photos)
    d.
    Work began in late 2006 to complete a similar effort on UPP 809. (click here for photos)

    Im guessing that from coupler end to coupler its 46'-5" so the tank was shortened to somewhere about 40'-42'.If I go by volume my numbers are within 100 gallons or so.gonna keep trying to find out more before I make final drafts.Thank you all again
     
  13. Sarge

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  16. Dan Ryan

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    Thank you for the info,apperently they revamped the tenders to more orignal look. Im not sure if i should model the new look or old one.New look is easier to make a model of and will be the excursion run from here in.ill keep ya posted thank you again
     
  17. Tuna

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    Last September, when 844 came through Oklahoma for the Centenniel, the aux water tender was flat ended like the pictures in the links posted above rather than slope ended as the first picture.
     
  18. Sarge

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    Here is a pic of 844 last year passing through Duncan Ok. I didn't get the water tender but you can see the end of it.

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    Here is a pic of both 3985 and 844 in 1991 at Salt lake City

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  19. Dan Ryan

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    ya, I was reading the info on the page the the images Sarge put up (wasatch-rr-contractors.com) apperently they are revamping the other tender as well, I see one was named Joe Jordan-i wonder what the other will be? I think I mite model the tenders as they are going to look(newest version). Back to the drawing board,lol
     
  20. SteamDonkey74

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    I've seen these tenders and never thought much about where they came from. This is fascinating stuff.

    ... and to Sarge, welcome to Trainboard!
     

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