Wow That is a good looking loco,do you have more pics of that and any adivice?What did you have to do to make changes and what detial parts did you use? If you have more pics would be cool-articat_dan @yahoo.com.Seeing your loco now I wanna get started on my bowser.
Bowser conversion It is not an "easy" model to convert. Sadly, I do not have any other photo's of the "completed" model at this time. I traded that model to my late friend Joe for some other stuff a few years back. When he passed away, the model returned to me, but in about 100 pieces thanks to UPS. As I noted, the conversion was done over 20 years ago, long before I ever imagined sharing construction notes on the net. Basicly, you cut and file all of the UP details off of the boiler casting. Save the forward sand dome for re-location. Fabricate thin brass sheet with rivet detail and and wrap around smoke box and fire box areas. I turned the smoke box door on a lathe. The door "keepers" are simply fabricated from small bits of styrene. Air cylinders were turned on a lathe. The tender was fabricated with brass sheet and the frame of an old die cast tender made by a long gone outfit called Arbor Models. Like I said...a lot of work. One of these days, I will begin the process of "rebuilding" the model....I have most of the custom made parts....it's just a matter of getting the time. Dave
You captured the look of the D & H Challengers with that engine. The smooth boiler/firebox, capped stack, straight boiler running board and massive tender all say "D&H". OK, we all need to go out and obtain a Bowser and start working! Looks like a lot of Dremel work!
Ya I say lot of dremel work! Apperently you also modifyed or cut off the cab to D&H,or so it looks?What about the pilot- iv found the correct radiator but pilot not much in cal scale/cary(still waiting on PSC steam loco parts cat).Sorry for so many questions you have opened up another path to my problem,I was uncertian of cuttin on the bowser model,heres a pic of what my rivy model currently looks like,needs much more work,its hard to work with the plastic if you sand to much ,metal i think would be better to work with
The Cab Yeah.....I forgot to mention the cab. I cut away the cast on UP cab and replaced it with the plasic cab off an old AHM loco with a few modifications. For the life of me I cant remember for sure what AHM loco the cab came off of.....but it is a lot closer to the D&H style cab than that ugly UP cab. I'll stick my neck out and say it was off an old 4-8-4 "Berk" I found real cheap at a flea market. I will pull the wrecked loco out of storage and get you a close up of the cab when I get home from work tonight.....if I dont have too many " honey-do's "....otherwise...sometime this weekend. The cab is modified....but I think a close up will tell the tale. The pilot is / was an availble lost wax casting.....I will look for info on that when I get home as well.
Well Dan! It looks like you are well on the way to a nice engine. Where did you post those pics of the PA?
Ya im in no rush,still gotta finish the 4-8-4northern,just info is the best resource to work on.Thank you for you help on this. As for my PA pics its in Delaware & Hudson fourm under modelers
Dave's 4664 cab I finally got around to pulling my 4664 out of storage. It's painful for me to look at, in view of all of the effort that went into the thing. Here is the tender... And finally....an overhead view showing the damage to the front end. You can see how the smokebox is made from brass sheet with rivet detail. All of the steam delivery pipe and front end detail is smashed... due to UPS launching the clearly labeled "fragile" box out the back of their truck.
Dave: I've heard of kitbashing, but this is hard core! :thumbs_up: Really a fantastic job. I hope you can fix it, but I can understand your frustration in it being damaged like that.
Dave thank you for the photos,also i posted some info on challengers in D&H fourm,check it,thank you again
Your Northern Dan, Craftsmanship like that is rare!! Your Northern is Beautiful! Congratulations! Dave
FYI a correction Ref my blatherings concerning engine markings. The D & H during the late steam era had FOUR divisions, not three as I mistakenly pontificated previously in this thread. Division I was the Champlain Division, II was the Capital division, or the Saratoga division. III was the old A & S and IV was the Penn division. In Sweetlands D & H Steam book on page 45 there is a clear shot of the cab side of the 312. It shows the division as I - II? and the Class as K63!!! Every other class designation I can find says it should be K 62? The class designation and division assignment are reversed in location as opposed to other photos of other engines in the book?
thanks guys .As for lettering on my 484 i put k63 and 1 orI. I have begun to kitbash my bowser challenger and will post pics of the progress in D&H challenger forum.The Alco drawings from giesler engneering are coming in very hand.
