NYC No Wonder the Central Switched to Hudsons

acptulsa May 26, 2021

  1. acptulsa

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    Finally found a linkable pic of one of those funny-faced B & A Pacifics.

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    Ugly face, great body. Nobody's perfect.
     
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  2. bremner

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    um, google 1990's Disneyland Tomorrowland
     
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    I'm curranty re-watching the "Back to the Future" trilogy having now finished the second one, Boy did they get 2015 horribly wrong as to the level of technology we'd have by then.
     
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  4. Hytec

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    Never saw that one at South Station, Chatham, or Albany. Wonder who built it?
     
  5. acptulsa

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    I'm going to give you another link you'll like.

    These big Pacifics proved to be the immediate precursors to the New York Central System's J1 Hudsons. They had relatively large 14" (356 mm) piston valves. Brooks's five K-6a arrived with Walschaert valve gear. Schenectady's K-6b engines weighed 3,000 lb (1,361 kg) more than the Brooks quintet, were fitted with Baker gear, and had tenders equipped with water scoops.
    https://steamlocomotive.com

    They only built five each. They wound up on the Pittsburgh & Lake Erie, and didn't live to be very old.

    I don't know if both Alco shops mounted that compressor up front. If not, how much you want to bet that's a Brooks?
     
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  6. Hytec

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    I'm sure they were built by Brooks. Alco/Schenectady preferred Baker gear for most NYC engines

    Water scoops blows my mind. To my knowledge troughs were installed only on the Hudson, Mohawk, and divisions along Lake Erie. B&A had nary a one. Some "bright young" design engineer must have thought, "Oh Gee, we can use these for Boston/Chicago trains". Apparently, that brainstorm was missed by his superiors. LOL

    J-Class, now you touched a nostalgic nerve. B&A bought six J2's from Alco, 600-605. Harlem Division, my home road, inherited them in the late 1930's or very early 1940's. I rode behind a few northbound through Chatham to North Adams, MA in 1949 and 1950. They also pulled heavy(!) commuters between Brewster and North White where they handed off to juice jacks for GCT. "Heavy Commuters" were up to 17 heavyweight cars including a bar car for bankers and other wealthy folks. (My father always rode behind a K11 with five cars.) LOL
     
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  7. acptulsa

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    LOL Hadn't heard that one. Was that mostly imports from Cleveland?

    Those must have been the next passenger power they got after those unfortunate Pacifics. Much prettier.
     
  8. RailMix

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    The GTW 4-8-4's, while very similar to the CN locomotives, were indeed GTW power, so received the U.S. Northern designation. Nice to see them and the other array of power shown. I especially like those husky Chicago & Western Indiana Moguls. They would be good useful motive power on almost any size model railroad. Nice. Thanks for posting.
     
  9. acptulsa

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    My pleasure. I think at least one of those Santa Fe switchers used to be a big Mogul. Topeka converted a few to 0-8-0s.

    I like the comparison between big Erie and Santa Fe and little C & EI and Monon Pacifics.
     
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  10. Hytec

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    The Cleveland Terminal units merely added to the GCT juice jack roster. GCT (Mott Haven yard) hosted S, P, R, and T motors. The P motors were ex-Cleveland Union Terminal. Here's a roster of the New York Central's electric locomotives, with photos.
     
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  11. acptulsa

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    Are those Scullin drivers?
     
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    Think so, not entirely sure. I do like that elesco feedwater heater, though. Definitely lends a no-nonsense look. The air pumps located on the pilot deck apparently made maintenance more convenient. This was also done by some other roads, such as the Pere Marquette
     
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    When too many Santa Fe E units were sick in 1949, the Tulsan was generally the diesel streamliner that had to do without. gp1504015.jpg
     
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