A couple of days ago a fellow board member told me they were convinced that P2K was going to do another run of the 2-8-8-2s. I was very skeptical and wished them luck. Well, I stand corrected because Life Like's site clearly states that they are doing a third run! Price remains the same. Roadnames: N&W and PRR. Guess they need to try and steal some of Rivarossi's 2-6-6-6 thunder if possible. Hurray for more steam!!! [ 09 August 2001: Message edited by: bnsf4354 ]</p>
Yep,they sure are. The N&W model is getting the 18K, fishbelly tender! I just got one of the 2nd run yesterday, off ebay. The detail is amazing. I can't believe how well it is crafted, really great work. I also read on Walther's site that the new Riv. that was displayed at St.Louis was detailed a bit more than the production model. Either way, it's still going to be nice to have.
MORE STEAM PLEASE!! HA!!!!! I love it guys.. i'm going to have to invest in a P2K Y3!! That did it.. Riv. your late in the take off.... I guess my next new steamer will be a P2K.... Not a bad choice though.. Even though I definately want a Riv. Allegheny.....
Hey, you will be amazed at the detail, it's sick. The P2K Y3 goes really slow, is quiet, has lots of pulling power. I can't wait to buy another.
From what I have heard about the Pennsy version of this engine, it will have the correct dark green color that Pennsy painted their engines. Among us Pennsy fans this is called DGLE or Dark Green Locomotive Enamal. It may even have a red cab roof, I am not sure. I think the reason Life-Like decided to make the larger fish belly tender was so that they could do a run for the Pennsy. Pennsy's Y3 aka HH-1, only had the larger tender. There are two numbers for the Pennsy 373 and 376 offered. I believe 373 will have a boiler tube pilot and be before some of the Pennsy modifications were made, while 376 represent a little later period. Now if we can only get a real Pennsy engine made in Plastic like a H9 or even a J1a. Eric
Yeah, That's good news for you PRR fans, I'm glad to finally see a plastic 18K fishbelly tender for us N&W fans. I can do a little re-working and use it on my Spectrum 4-8-2 and turn it into a pre-streamlined K2 or K2a class. I'm just wondering who's going to do an N&W A class. Probably a long shot though, manufactuers have to stay with the roads that have common engines you know. When is the 3rd run coming out anyway?
Just one little problem with using a Bachmann mountain for a N&W K2. The N&W K2 is a Heavy Mountain while the Bachmann Mountain is a light Mountain. I wonder if anyone will come out with a USRA Heavy Mountain in the future. The only roads that I know of that owned them were the C&O and the N&W. That may not be enough to warrant a model, although I would like to see one come out. As for a plastic A, from what I have heard, Bachmann has stated that they are not going to do one. Maybe the next choice is to campaign for one from Rivarossi. Of the remaining big name articulated engines that don't have a model which are the A, EM-1, older challenger, USRA 2-6-6-2, and the Yellowstone; the A may be the best choice for a model. Eric
Yep, it is. But I can pretend right? As for the A, it would be tough to market. They kind of have to stick to roads who used similar equipment you know. As for Bachmann, if they can bring their J up to Spectrum Series detail and quality, it would be great. I did hear though that they will in the Fall or Winter. It would be nice. It's not a bad representation. Just lacking some details and needs better paint.
I am reserving judgment on the new Bachmann J until I see it. The old J had an undersized boiler, not to mention the paint. From the email I recieved from Bachmann, the J will have a correct boiler. If this is true, I will buy one. If they do not have one at the upcoming hobby show in Chicago, I won't expect it until maybe the spring, despite their December scheduled release date. If Bachmann does make an accurate J, it will be a great addition to the new steam that is coming out. As for the A. Unlike many other steam engines that are unique to one road, the A has fans from all over. It should be placed among the big name steam engines like the Big Boy, Daylight, and Hudson. 1218 excursion service gained her many fans. She could even be used on a more modern layout. While the general rule maybe that engines from one road don't sell, there are exceptions. The sells of the Big Boy, N&W J, and others prove that. So yes I do think the A has enough fans to warrant a model. Remember a lot of us miss 1218! Eric
The 3rd run is supporsted to arrive in Oct. Who knows if it will be on time. It will take a number of purchases away from the Allegheny if it is on time. Some here have already hinted at that. As far as the Class A goes, I fully believe that it would sell really well. If an Allegheny is going to sell well with only C&O and VGN using it, than a 1218 will sell just as well. NW holds a special place in the hearts of railfans by being the last to give up steam. The steamfoamers are even more loyal because of that. The excursion program only helps with the popularity. I don't model C&O or N&W, but I would still purchase the A and I am purchasing an Allegheny. I bought a VGN 2-8-8-2 and don't model anything east coast. I just love steam and having all those big engines running together on a layout is way cool. What I am having to do is adapt part of my western layout to be more eastern capable without destroying the proper feel. I plan to eventually link east to west at some point and use a river as a scenery transition point. Where the Big Boys and Challengers stop the Allegheny and 2-8-8-2 will take over. That way I will be able to have the whole experience available for others to see. Since I don't model exact reproduction eras I can create a realistic "fantasy" point that could have existed and keep the overall accuracy of both west and east. It will be years before I am done and happy with the results, but a little at a time is always progress!
I'm strictly northeast.. The B&O anyway..... And I plan to buy a Y3 P2K, and if finance lets me a Allegheny Riv... Thats saying something!! I mean if you think of it.. My WHOLE COLLECTION is B&O! But I am going to have me a P2K Y3 and hopefully a Riv Allegheny... So I too belive that a "A" class would sell!!! Heres a die hard B&O railfan and collector buying or going to buy a Y3 P2K and a Riv. Allegheny.... They have to be nice to have even though the Y3 is slow.. Oh well... I run most of my stuff slow anyway! I'll just have to have the throttle turned up on him and the rest will be turned low..... Works for me!
Also, I would love to see a Bachmann Spectrum 2-10-4!!!!! If any of you guys remember Bachmann did at one time offer a 2-10-4 Texas.... But that was plain-jane Bachmann... Would be nice to see one in the Spectrum line!!!
That Y3 is not that much slower than my Big Boy and Challenger! It has the potential to be smoother too. Run it at full throttle and it looks too fast! 75% is all you will need.
BNSF, Thats good then! I thought it was going to be really SSSSSSLLLOOOOOWWWW and all compared to my faster EM-1's (Ex. Big Boys) and my Challenger, not to mention my EL-5's and to be EL-5 (Ex. Y6b's). So thats good..... Thanks man I haven't got anywhere close to the P2K yet so.... I'm not to sure how they run. I have had my hands on the P2K 0-8-0 though... But... The 0-8-0 is a bit to small in steam for me! HA! Got to be BIG or it sets.... Even though I do have a few medium steamers.... I run my Riv's right about 3/8ths the throttle so... That means I'll run the Y3 at like 5/8ths......Maybe 3/4ths... All depends on exactly how slow it is.... [ 11 August 2001: Message edited by: 7600EM_1 ]</p>
Yeah, I guess the more I think about it. The A would sell pretty well. I too miss 1218, especially for me though is 611. I spent a good bit of time with her. 4501 was nice too. I rode behind her in 85 before all her woes. As for the P2K Y3, it's amazing to watch, perfect slow speed, it does look funny going fast. Great work on it! P.S.- More N&W steam please, Mr. Manufactuers....he he
As far as the Y3 being a slow engine, it should be slow. These engines ran very slow on the N&W, the max was probably about 45, so 25 to 35 mph should be their running speed. Big long trains at slow speed was what the Y3s were designed for. The added bonus is that at slow speed you can really see the running movement on these great models. I wonder if someone would make a 2-10-4. I think there are two good canidates, the ATSF 2-10-4 and the C&O/PRR 2-10-4. The ATSF would make a good model because the ATSF is so popular and the Pennsy leased a few of these engines. However, I think the C&O/PRR 2-10-4 would make a better choice. The Pennsy built their engines using the C&O design, so the only real differences are the tender, cab, and front end and a few other smaller details. Plus you could offer the Pennsy tenders by themselves and they would sell a lot, because Pennsy fans will buy tenders! Eric
Its sad about the Texas 2-10-4's though by Bachmann. I have a ton of Bachmann boxes that show the 2-10-4. Sadly I never got one they were taken out of production and gone off the shelves before I realized what they were and all..... Now their famed even though their plain jane Bachmann's so... And when you do find one I.E. ebay... The price is run way up to where its out of reach for me at the moment and beseides that, if I'm going to buy one at that price I at least want it to be new...... Most times their used so... You have to be carefull on ebay for that reason... You can't be honestly sure if it will run so.... I took my chances on a few that showed pictures and stated never run or out of the box... Then I'd bid.... I want one in C&O just to have a 2-10-4 Texas....I love my steam even though i'm Die Hard B&O all the way... Thats the beauty in model railroading and having your own layout.. Run what ever your heart desires with the use of "Modeler Liecence" HA!
