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John Barnhill Nov 23, 2006

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    From the Nov. 23 Spokane Spokesman-Review:

    Railing against the costs
    Palouse-Coulee short line may be too expensive in long run


    Public or private?

    Under a complex deal intended to keep rail service running on the Palouse River and Coulee City Railroad lines, Washington state has bought – or is buying – the private company's hundreds of miles of track. For now, however, the short-line railroad retains its operating rights to run trains on those lines. The state is negotiating to buy those operating rights. Once that's done, Washington lawmakers must decide whether to run a state-owned rail system, lease the lines to a port or other public entity, or "railbank" the tracks by halting service and preserving them for possible future use.

    Richard Roesler
    Staff writer
    November 23, 2006

    OLYMPIA – Two years ago, moved by pleas from grain growers and local communities, state lawmakers spent $6.5 million to buy about 200 miles of Palouse River and Coulee City Railroad line. The state is now negotiating a price for the final 108 miles of the ailing railroad's track, with a deal expected by January.

    Growers argue that the line is critical. "If the rail was not there, the people that would suffer the most would be the farmers," said Bob Holmes, general manager of Whitman County Growers. "The whole economy in our part of the state is based on agriculture. It's substantial. If all of a sudden you make it so the farmers all go away, so will half the towns in Eastern Washington."

    But buying the tracks, it now seems, was just a down payment. A study last year suggested that unless grain growers or other users boost their rail shipments and thus revenue to levels not seen in years, significant parts of the system may never become self-supporting. Keeping the railroad running, the Washington State University report said, may require "continuous state investments" of $500,000 to $1.4 million a year.

    The predicted cost is even higher in a new state Department of Transportation study, which a few lawmakers learned about in September. Over 15 years, it said, taxpayers will spend between $41 million and $49 million to keep the struggling short-line system alive.

    Barbara Ivanov, the state DOT's freight strategy director, alluded to those looming costs during a September Senate hearing in Spokane.

    "I want to point out," she said, "that annual track maintenance and any ongoing state subsidy are not included in the current state budget."

    "It got my attention," state Rep. Alex Wood, D-Spokane, said of the new study. "If the state is going to step into that, how do we pay for it?"
    Run it or mothball it?

    Last year, the rail system's Kansas-based owner, Watco, said it couldn't keep losing money on parts of the system. In December, the company halted shipments on a branch west of Spokane. Service was restarted only after the state complained to federal regulators. Now that the state's taking over the track and the operating rights, lawmakers have to figure out what to do with the system.

    "We have to make some tough decisions," said Wood. "Do we subsidize it? Do we take it over as a purely state entity? Do we do a public-private partnership with someone?"

    The state has committed itself to buying the old tracks to prevent them from being torn up. But it hasn't committed to keeping the lines going over the long term. The state has a "rail-banking" program, in which it buys lines simply to preserve them for a potential future use. "You can purchase to preserve," said Scott Witt, DOT's freight multimodal program manager. "You don't necessarily have to operate."
    Seeking self-sustenance

    Wood said that some Western Washington lawmakers are floating the idea of ending rail service on parts of the PCC line in hopes of spurring local growers into committing to more shipments. Wood opposes that but predicts "a lot of interesting discussions" about the railroad's fate when lawmakers convene in January.

    "It's just like the ferry system: How in the hell do we make this self-sustaining for the next 20 years?" Wood said. "And I don't have the answer."

    It didn't help matters this August when a combine-triggered brush fire near Colfax torched a 200-foot, decades-old wooden trestle on a southern part of the system.

    Initially, proponents had hoped the state would improve the old track enough to run trains at 25 mph, instead of the current 10. That efficiency would mean lower costs, they predicted, and more business for the struggling lines.

    But doing so would take considerable track work, Witt said.

    "The odds are it will never be up to 25 mph," he said. "It would take a lot more money and a lot more customers."
    Rail versus roads

    From the start, a key argument for the state's purchase of PCC's decades-old rail lines has been pragmatic. Without rail, proponents said, the region's roads would crumble as more trucks haul grain and lumber to barges or distant rail loaders. Keeping these short-line tracks running, it seemed, would cost less than forever rebuilding the roads.

    But maybe not.

    A new study by a DOT-hired expert on pavement and grain shipping suggests that it would be cheaper for taxpayers – a lot cheaper – to let the rail service on some branches die away and just keep fixing the truck-scarred roads forever.

    Take the so-called P&L branch, a stretch of track that runs from the Marshall area south to Pullman, plus a short spur into Idaho. Over 15 years, the DOT study says, the public cost of keeping that line going will be $14 million to $17 million. Fixing local and state roads, on the other hand, would cost just $2.5 million.

    The projections were equally as stark for a second stretch of state-owned track: the three-legged "PV Hooper" branch, which stretches from Hooper to Thornton to Moscow, Idaho. The 15-year rail cost: $9 million. Fixing the roads: $2 million.

    The only place where the rail-versus-roads savings assumption held true, according to the study, was on the third branch of the system. The CW line runs from Cheney to Coulee City. Rail cost: $18 million to $24 million. Road cost: $18 million to $45 million.
    Impact of competition

    Growers and some local lawmakers say the benefits of keeping the rail service alive extend far beyond pavement.

    "Obviously, you have to look at the financial costs, but when you add that number of grain trucks to all the other trucks on the road, look at the traffic numbers," said House transportation committee member Rep. Lynn Schindler, R-Otis Orchards. Without the railroad, she worries about highway safety and gridlock during harvests.

    And until 1999, according to a WSU study this spring, competition between barges and rail kept rail shipping rates at 1930s prices. If the option of rail shipment disappears, some growers worry, truckers and barges will have less reason to hold their rates down.

    "Any time you do away with an alternative, you are certainly going to increase the cost of the other alternative. … I really would not want to lose that (rail) option," said Holmes.

    The seemingly obvious solution – make the short-line system self-supporting by using it more – is more complicated than it sounds, he said. The mainline railroads like BNSF Railway Co. could kneecap any such agreement simply by raising their rates to accept those short-line rail cars and avoid the inefficiency of repeated stops for small loads.

    And Ivanov told a Senate committee this fall that the national rail trend is toward large, long-haul "unit trains" with a single commodity. It's harder and harder, she said, for small shippers to get a few carloads accepted by big railroads. Soaring rail volume has put rail space at a premium. Low-volume shippers of wheat, apple, potato and wood-products in Washington are left struggling to adapt to what she called that "fundamental change" in BNSF's and Union Pacific's business model.
     
  2. BoxcabE50

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    Ugh. What a mess. First Watco runs it into the ground. (Big surprise there....) Then government steps in, to fail as usual. I'd suggest those shippers either plan on closing their businesses, or invest in trucks....

    :sad:

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    What with the $6B surplus WA is carrying these days, thanks to Gov Gregoire's taxes, you would think we could carry the line and not miss a beat. MRH
     
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    Welcome to TrainBoard! :thumbs_up:

    Don't worry about that surplus, sooner than you'd want to believe, there'll come a mega-boondoggle. (With associated cover up and scandal.) And that money will all be gone. Oops! Raise taxes again! I'm sure they're working on having that financial disaster right now...... Be careful! Some joker in O-town will think of taxing model railroads....

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    Hmmm, taxing model railroads, don't bet that isn't in the works already. Is that "O" as in Olympia or Odiferous, I can't ever tell the difference! M
     
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    "O" as in Olympiagrad. Obnoxious, odiferous, etc, etc. There's more I could say, but.....

    :cry:

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  7. SDP45

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    I've been looking at some newspaper clippings from the closure of the Mansfield branch of the BN/GN back in 1985. The major shipper on that line is also the major shipper on the CW. Their solution to both was to truck to their mainline stations at Marlin or Wenatchee, but they also built a new unit train loader at Coulee City, and doubled their capacity there, to handle the grain from the Mansfield.
    They have a staggering amount of storage capacity on the CW (and still quite a bit on the Mansfield) that they have learned to truck since Watco pulled the plug. Another problem was car supply.
    If the grain wasn't being trucked to those stations, it was going 2 hours south to barge at Pasco. Trucking to the big loader at Ritzville was not really an option. It was already in a large truck, so just go the remaining distance to Pasco.
    There have been some whispers of BNSF building a big loadout like the one at Ritzville near Coulee City, but only run the CW between Coulee City and Almira (or Wilbur, I don't remember for sure) and rebuild a rail connection to the old GN main at Adrian. That ROW is still there, having been abandoned in 1979, with the BNSF still owning most of it, which I confirmed online yesterday (Thanksgiving). A few trestles would need to be rebuilt.
     
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    I was wondering if someone would have that same thought. Rebuilding a section, to get rid of a larger portion. As long as it does not involve Watco, (pronounced Ruin & Scrapco), then it should work. I hope any further attempts by that present company, to acquire and operate in the state, are met with heavy local government resistance!

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    Boxcab:

    I have worked for several railroads in several years and at this time I happen to work for WATCO. I have worked for railroads which are "flashier" but probably none more honest and hard working than WATCO people. It takes a lot of revenue to support some shortlines and WATCO folks have wisely seen fit to pull away from some operationswhich are marginal and probably can't be operated at a profit.
    From my experience operating locomotives, supervising and now teaching and training crews, I have found that most of the properties WATCO has aquired/leased are usually in some stage of deferred maintenence before WATCO assumes operation. Often much of the revenue derived from a line goes to not just maintenence but primarily rehabilitation of the track/structures just to provide a safe operation.
    Much of the discussion of operating railroads, their customers and whether or not they are good or bad in the eyes of the public, is done with out the full knowledge of the real issues and is frequently the result of here say and few facts.
    Give us folks at WATCO a break. There are hundreds of people who daily provide safe, reliable and innovative service for many customers who without WATCO railroads would left to trucks.

    Thanks for listening.

    Barry
     
  10. John Barnhill

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    Howdy Barry and welcome aboard!

    Thank you for providing another viewpoint too! :)
     
  11. BoxcabE50

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    Barry-

    You are welcome to your viewpoint.

    Mine is not gathered from thin air. Nor do I lack knowledge of the railroading industry.

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  12. SDP45

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    While not railroading, the company I work for declared bankruptcy on the 7th. All of us down in the ranks are honest and hardworking, doing our best to help the company make a buck. Management has done things to make our jobs harder, such as withholding funds to make purchases of supplies to make the things we need, as they have to pay for things not related to what we are doing.
    I understand that as one of the underlings, I have no knowledge of what management is doing, but we sure are getting a black eye because of their decisions.
    I work for a small grocery chain, run by Brown and Cole. An internet search will prove my bankruptcy claims.
     
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    Dan-

    Ouch. Bummer. I hope they can pull together a plan, which will allow you to continue.

    :eek:mg: :sad:

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