Just a Question. I know of no UP renumbers on their loco's. I mean using that faithful patch to cover the old numbers to put the new on. I seen an SD70M Athearn SP model that had a UP number patch on them and they also did the UP shield on the front of the motor. I hope someone was using modeler's liscense to that particular model. I always assume that UP was doing full repaints of all CNW and SP units. Not that crappy patchwork. ------------------ Keep on railroad'n
Nope, the Athearn model and tunnel88's memory are correct, UP has been doing renumber "patch" jobs on my poor Espee units. I know of at least 2 SP SD70M's that have gotten this, as well as 1 SW1500, and 1 GP38-2. I haven't heard of any Rio Grande units getting it, but I've heard reports of 1 CNW C44-9W with a patch job. ------------------ Have A Nice Day! [This message has been edited by Mankind (edited 03 October 2000).]
Yep, another confirmation. UP 3975 I think was the first to get the patch job with the shield. They also haven't been doing many of these, as most of the units need repaints anyway. The SD70Ms and C44s being newer don't necessarily need them. I think the patches were applied when they had some minor maintanance done. ------------------ Corey Lynch Pres - Rensselaer Model RR Society NEB&W RR http://www.rpi.edu/~lynchc/Railfanning/railfanning.htm - My Site http://www.union.rpi.edu/railroad/ - NEB&W
The patch jobs are each a little different. I saw two in Eugene one day, one had nothing but the numbers on the sides of the cab done, the other had the cab numbers done and the "SP" on the nose painted over, but no shield. It also had the rear SP number painted out, but it was not restenciled with the UP number. I've also seen some that haven't had any repainting done, but a little tiny UP shield sticker put on in the middle of the nose. ------------------ Mike Smith lcso_927@hotmail.com Eugene, Oregon LCSO's RailPics ~ License and registration please... "She's not really gone if her memory lives on in our hearts." Southern Pacific 1865-1996 [This message has been edited by LCSO_927 (edited 03 October 2000).]
Here's the page where i saw that pic... http://www.northwestrails.com/nwnewspage74.htm Unfortunately the pic is no longer up! www.northwestrails.com is a great site for info though... Guess what additional searching and > http://psa188.freeyellow.com/up3975.JPG
I haven't seen any yet. Thats why I was questioning it. Not to mention that UP is image minded. I did not think they would stoop to that. (Sorry BNSF guys That not a cheap shot on you!) Especally since that are painting SP and CNW loco's faster that BNSF is painting thiers. It won't take long for them to paint them. I think the SP only had a hundred of SD70M's. And these are the only repaints I know about.Outside of the new renumbering's on switchers and road units. ------------------ Keep on railroad'n
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jack Doran: I think the SP only had a hundred of SD70M's. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Actually, only 25, numbered 9800-9824. I wish they had bought a hundred, they're some of my favorite Espee EMD's. ------------------ Have A Nice Day!
I'm with yuh on that Mankind!! The SP SD70M's really do look nice! ------------------ Craig Martyn Best Looking Models Around Custom detailing AND N scale detail parts. BLMA N Scale Detail Parts BLMAinfo@aol.com
I am surprised that UP has not fully repainted them then. What are they numbered in the UP series. What is the difference between these and the order of 1000 coming to the UP. I know the paint scheme on them is different but what else? ------------------ Keep on railroad'n
Offhand the only difference i can think of is the trucks... The SP have HTCR Is while the latest SDs all have HTCR II...
The ex-SP SD70Ms will be renumbered into the roster before the new order of SD70Ms which are the 4000s. They will be numbers 3974-3999, with the exception of 3985 which is the Challenger (so 3974-3984, 3986-3999). ------------------ Corey Lynch Pres - Rensselaer Model RR Society NEB&W RR http://www.rpi.edu/~lynchc/Railfanning/railfanning.htm - My Site http://www.union.rpi.edu/railroad/ - NEB&W
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jack Doran: I know the paint scheme on them is different but what else? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Another difference between SP SD70M's and the new UP SD70M's is the pilot snowplow. The SP units have the UP/SP type large plow, while the newly ordered units are being delivered with the shorter BN/Santa Fe type plows. As a side note, I believe I have seen another SD70M patch job. I believe it was UP 3986, which should be renumbered from SP9811. As for the SP C44-9W's, they are being repainted instead of patched. The explanation I have heard is that the GE's are being sent in for a major overhaul which includes repainting. Don't expect the SP SD70M's to be repainted until they are due for similar major overhauls (sorry, but I don't have a nuts-and-bolts explanation of "major overhaul") ------------------ Kevin Stevens www.trainweb.org/KernJunction
I remember hearing somewhere that SP's C44s and AC44s are about 7 years old, and they are on a 7 year overhaul cycle. It is kind of like a tune-up and inspection. While they are in the shop, they get the paint job. I think the patched locos had some minor repairs done and got patched in the process. The SD70Ms aren't due up until 2001 I believe. ------------------ Corey Lynch Pres - Rensselaer Model RR Society NEB&W RR http://www.rpi.edu/~lynchc/Railfanning/railfanning.htm - My Site http://www.union.rpi.edu/railroad/ - NEB&W
Thanks for the info. Now since I have posted this topic a lot of the New SD70M's have rolled though Galesburg. Just when I thought it would take them awhile to show up. Boy was I wrong. ------------------ Keep on railroad'n
All of this patching and painting is sacreligious. The management of UP should be strung up by their... Hmm... I guess I better watch what I put up. I'd hate to have the Trainboard administrators delete this post, or ban me from the site. But seriously, I hear that UP doesn't want to let #4449 run on their track because it says "Southern Pacific" on the side of the tender. Do they really think they can rewrite history? Make people think SP never existed? ------------------ Mike Smith lcso_927@hotmail.com Eugene, Oregon LCSO's RailPics ~ License and registration please... "She's not really gone if her memory lives on in our hearts." Southern Pacific 1865-1996
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>But seriously, I hear that UP doesn't want to let #4449 run on their track because it says "Southern Pacific" on the side of the tender. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> What?!?!
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>I hear that UP doesn't want to let #4449 run on their track because it says "Southern Pacific" on the side of the tender. Do they really think they can rewrite history? Make people think SP never existed? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Although many people still don't understand the reason UP doesn't run "foreign" steam on its lines, I will try to explain the explanation I read in a past magazine. When UP began its steam program, they made the decision to invest their complete advertising budget into the program. This meant that the steam program was their entire means of advertisement and public relations. For this reason, the management decided that any such trips or appearances on UP property (which now includes ex-SP lines) would be done using only their own steam (or now historic diesel) fleet. While I sympathize with those who wish UP would give a nod to the heritage of its fallen flags, I have to accept their decision as one that makes business sense. As much as we fans hate to admit, Southern Pacific (or WP, MP, MKT, CNW etc...) heritage does not help Union Pacific promote their company. Because they consider all appearances or fan trips as "advertisement" for UP, they want the equipment involved to reflect the "UP" name. Remember, Union Pacific is the last Class I Railroad that rosters and maintains a fleet of historic steam and diesel power in their active fleet. BTW, I too wish that I could again see 4449 pulling a train over Tehachapi. ------------------ Kevin Stevens www.trainweb.org/KernJunction
There is a bit of sense in that, but not much. The only organizations that can decide which railroad to ship their crap on are huge companies that operate entire trains like APL, coal companies, and auto manufacturers. Advertising would be wasted on them because they'll make their decision based on who provides the best service. All of the small companies that ship a carload here or there don't have much of a choice-- they'll ship on the railroad that runs up to their backdoor. And as for the rest of America, those of us that don't do any business with railroads, the money would be best spent on public relations advertising. If UP had a good image among the general public (your friendly neighborhood railroad ) they wouldn't be bothered by quite so many noise complaints and environmental concerns. An occasional tribute to UP's predecessors would be great PR. I really don't expect UP to do real well over the next decade or so. Their corprate arrogance is getting out of control and it will come back to plague them. ------------------ Mike Smith lcso_927@hotmail.com Eugene, Oregon LCSO's RailPics ~ License and registration please... "She's not really gone if her memory lives on in our hearts." Southern Pacific 1865-1996
EXACTLY! LCSO_927 You I agree on the same thing Glad someone else is on the same page. Do I sense some resentment toward the UP though. Sorry we are off the topic but I had respond to that! ------------------ Keep on railroad'n
