Shay for John Cater

Paul Templar Apr 19, 2001

  1. Paul Templar

    Paul Templar Passed away November 23, 2008 In Memoriam

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    Hi John,
    Here it is, sorry about the photo quality, did it using my Son's El-cheapo digital,
    Notice I backdated it using the long boiler you sent me. No decals yet.
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  2. JCater

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    Paul,
    I almost missed this post :rolleyes:!! Thanks for the photo...it's great to think that after almost ten years the shay is built, running and happy on a great layout half a world away from where I bought it :D :D!! It looks great. I'm glad you chose the back-dated boiler, that would have been my choice also. I hope it gives many years of good service to your railroad!! Happy Modeling!!
    John
     
  3. Paul Templar

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    Hi John,
    When I can get hold of a CAN motor and flywheel for it, I will replace the open frame one that I used.
    http://www.badger-creek.co.uk
     
  4. JCater

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    So you used the original motor? Out of curiosity, how does it run with the old open frame? Happy Modeling!
    John
     
  5. Hytec

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    Paul, that is a beautiful scene!!! Does the rest of the system look as good? Hint, Hint .... more photos, please?

    For the motor and flywheel, you might try NorthWest Short Line http://www.nwsl.com/

    I have not done business with them, but they are highly recommended.

    Hank
     
  6. Paul Templar

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    Hi John,
    Yes, the original motor runs quite well, although a little noisy, thats why I must get the can motor and flywheel.

    Hello Hank,
    Thanks for the comments and web address for NWSL. For other photo's from my website, you can visit by clicking on the link. http://www.badger-creek.co.uk
     
  7. 7600EM_1

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    Nice work Paul!!!!!!!! But i'm going to be a dumb !@#$% and ask if thats a MDC "Roundhouse" Shay???? It looks to be. With the statement of having a open frame motor. Well thats alittle obvious But anyway its possible that it could be another brand manufacturer so....... :D I just bought a 3 truck MDC Shay and I got plans of using one of Mantua's "Sagami" can motors in it with an attached flywheel. A very small powerfull, and quiet motor, plus a flywheel it ought to run like a million.... :D
     
  8. Paul Templar

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    Hello John,
    Yes it is an MDC Shay kit I made up, runs very well for an open frame motor without a flywheel.
    I have three others I made from kits, and they have the can motor, but it is really down to getting the timing right on the U-joints, making sure that they all line up so it runs without a wobble.
    Have fun making yours, love to see a photo sometime.
    Paul http://www.badger-creek.co.uk
     
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    Paul, and everyone,
    Is going to laugh but i'm freelancing my MDC Shay. Its a 3 truck and i'm planing to making it a Western Maryland Because I have a friend who wants to buy the BRASS one I own so.... I'm thinking about selling it. If I do, that knocks out painting it Western Maryland #6. So I still want a WM #6 so.. The MDC is the next alternative. With the open frame motor is noisy that I have with it from testing it. So I plan to change it to a Mantua "Sagami" can motor with a flywheel. Which i'd have to say is a better motor then the open frame, plus it is quiet. When its all done i'll send pictures to Watash to be scanned. You'll get to see it when its done sooner or latter..... :D
     
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    Hey Paul,
    I got a good question for ya. On your logging layout do you run, logging Mallets? If so what configuration and if their tendered loco's or non tendered loco's. Like a 2-6-6-2 and or a 2-6-6-2T ???? I see that you model and run alot of Shays and geared loco's, I just thought about the Mallet's if you do or don't. If so the Mallet you have if so post a picture of the one thats out of the ordinary. I know certain logging companies used Mallets that aren't known in configuration to well beside for the logging field itself. For example a 2-4-4-2,
    0-4-4-0, I know they sound wierd and no doubt look it to compared to some of the Mallets I own! I got a few big ones as a few here can vouch for.... I'm just a big Mallet fan and the strangest ones are an interest to me being i'm into the regular ones. :D

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  11. Paul Templar

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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 7600EM_1:
    Hey Paul,
    I got a good question for ya. On your logging layout do you run, logging Mallets? If so what configuration and if their tendered loco's or non tendered loco's. Like a 2-6-6-2 and or a 2-6-6-2T ???? I see that you model and run alot of Shays and geared loco's, I just thought about the Mallet's if you do or don't. If so the Mallet you have if so post a picture of the one thats out of the ordinary. I know certain logging companies used Mallets that aren't known in configuration to well beside for the logging field itself. For example a 2-4-4-2,
    0-4-4-0, I know they sound wierd and no doubt look it to compared to some of the Mallets I own! I got a few big ones as a few here can vouch for.... I'm just a big Mallet fan and the strangest ones are an interest to me being i'm into the regular ones. :D

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    Hi John,
    Sorry my friend, but no Mallets on my layout only Shay - Heisler and Climax, plus a Galloping Goose #2 and a cut down doodle bug which is now in service as a brill type.
    Paul http://www.badger-creek.co.uk
     
  12. watash

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    John, here is my brand new HO Mantua 2-6-6-2 logger, I opened the box and ran this one on the old layout out in my model shop a few minutes. It is quiet, very smooth starting, and will come down a 4% slow and steady. As soon as I get Mantua's good couplers on it, I think I will be pleased with this one. :D
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    Does anyone have a photo of the 4 truck shay engine?

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  13. Paul Templar

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    Watash my friend, thats a smart looking loco, how much are these beauties to buy? Do they come in Kit form, or ready to run.
     
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    Paul,
    I'm not Watash, but I can answer your question to him though. That Mantua 2-6-6-2 is in ready to run form today and sells for $279.99 in the U.S. It might be more to you in the UK. Anyway it is suppost to be able to neigotiate 15 inch radius curves on the new one. The new version of that has the Sagami flywheel drive in it! Also has working head and tail lights. I'm thinking of buying one just to model one the B&O
    0-6-6-0 "Old Maude" which is the first articulated steam loco in America. And if it runs as good as it looks I may even have a reorder for one to be a 2-6-6-2 M-1, or M-1a for the Western Maryland. But thats if my motive power department likes the first one to have a reorder on more. :D And being its Mantua I really doubt that it has traction bands on the wheels as for all the Mantua loco's I own not one has traction bands on the wheels. And they all are the newer locomotives so..... Thats a definate plus.... :D
     
  15. Paul Templar

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    Thanks John,
    Guess I am going to have to save some pennies up to buy that great looking Mallet.
    Pity MDC Roundhouse doesn't do one in kit form, like they do the Shay & Climax.
    Paul http://www.badger-creek.co.uk
     
  16. watash

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    John and Paul, this one is brand new, cost $67.50 and has been in its box you see it sitting on, since 1990. It is all metal and fairly heavy with no rubber bands. It is a tiny thing, so compared to Old Maude you would have to enlarge the boiler and the fromt cylinders were over 3 feet in diameter remember! Old Maude was a Mallet and the front engine was articulated. All American Mallets were articulated, but not all articulated engines were of Mr. Mallet's compound design. Mallet used high pressure steam in the rear set of cylinders first, then the exhaust steam was piped up front to the much larger compound cylinders on the front engine, then exhausted through the stack. A Big Boy and the EM's could negotiate a 20 degree curve, and the little 2-6-6-2's could take a 35 at slowed speed, and these were still 56" gauge too.

    I have heard your story about the mule, but I like another one I heard better! :D
     
  17. Paul Templar

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    Watash, I want a time machine to go back to 1990 and buy one of those for that price. Want to sell it to me P L E A S E.
     
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    I agree with you Paul I'd beg to buy it too at even $100 !!!!!! HEE HEE :D Thats a steal Watash, concidering they want $279.99 today for one just like it! Yeah I know to make that an 0-6-6-0 i'd have to enlarge the front cylinders and retool a boiler in a larger diameter. Thats all the fun though! :D
    You would have your EL-5's as Mr. Mallet made them as compounds, and your Big Boy's, EM-1's etc as simple articulated steam loco's. So yes I know i'd have lots of fun changing all that and making it to proto-type is the fun of "MODEL RAILROADING" the old way!!!!! I love it!!!!! :D

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    Paul,
    I'll help spree on that time machine with you!!! I want to go to the late 1960's to early 1970's!!!!! I want to get the good prices on all the Rivarossi items back then and buy up all the parts on stock possible so then when we get back to the present date of 2001 I have all the parts to repair, and replace them on the Rivarossi items so all of us with these loco's today would have to worry about getting these parts today i'd already have them on hand and wouldn't have to worry about ordering them and the supplier couldn't say "sorry" those parts are out of stock!!!!! :D So when your ready to start on that time machine let me I want to help HEE HEE :D Boy wouldn't that be the greatest thing to do about now!!!!!!! Hey its a dream we are all allowed to dream right???? Or is the government gonna take that away from us too???? :D

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  20. Paul Templar

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    Hi John,
    If H.G.Wells can do it, why can't we.! I would go back to the 1950's and buy up all the Brass stuff going. Bring it back and sell it.(Er maybe not)
     

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