Silly question about "scale"

navatex Nov 25, 2005

  1. navatex

    navatex TrainBoard Member

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    HO is 1/87 scale. If the prototype is 87 feet long, the HO model of it would be 1 foot long, right?

    But what about weight? ...and horsepower?

    I just thought it would be fun to think about...
     
  2. Flash Blackman

    Flash Blackman TrainBoard Member

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    But...molecules and atoms are always 1:1, so how can anything actually scale down?

    Here we are in some point in time and space. [​IMG]

    Welcome to TB. I don't know how it works, but someone here may have an opinion. :D :D
     
  3. Mike Sheridan

    Mike Sheridan TrainBoard Member

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    Weight relates to volume which is a cube law; so the weight should be 1/87^3 (I think) = 1/658503. So a 100 ton (224000 lb) loco or car in HO would be 0.34 lb or 5.44 oz. NMRA weight for a 10" HO car is 6 oz (1 + 1/2 per inch), so that seems pretty close actually :D .

    Horsepower? Hmm, good question [​IMG]

    But Flash is right, some stuff doesn't scale well. Water is a classic one.
     
  4. GP30

    GP30 TrainBoard Member

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    Im going to do some math here just to fuel this fascinating discussion.

    Let's take a GP30, for example. The actual weight is 253,500 lbs.
    In HO Scale, that would be 2,914 pounds. :eek:

    The tractive effort (63,375lb) in HO would be 728 lbs. and produce horsepower (2250hp) in HO scale at 26hp. :eek:

    I don't think there is HO scale track on the market than can handle a 2,914 lb locomotive. [​IMG]

    Also, the freightcars them selves are not scaled, down.

    Let's use a 1937 USRA-type Steel Boxcar. Unloaded this car weighs 44,900 lb...that's 516 lb in HO scale.

    Loaded at maximum capacity (124,100) that would be 1,426 lb.

    Ok, there is a few examples of how prototypes would scale down. Pretty obvious why not everything is perfectly scaled down. It'd take a crane to put you locomotive on the tracks, just like the real ones. [​IMG]
     
  5. Flash Blackman

    Flash Blackman TrainBoard Member

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    CP&E: What Mike Sheridan is saying is that the 1:87 is linear. You have to multiply 87 x 87 x 87 to get the scale equivalent of weight and horsepower. Thus, the 253,500 pound engine would weigh 253,500 divided by 658503 or 0.38 pounds or 6.1 ounces.

    I used to call this course Magic 101. :D :D
     
  6. GP30

    GP30 TrainBoard Member

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    I never considered myself good at math and stuff, LOL.

    Something about an HO scale locomotive weighing 2,000 lb just didn't seem quite right [​IMG]
     
  7. watash

    watash Passed away March 7, 2010 TrainBoard Supporter In Memoriam

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    But just think about how many cars it would pull if it did weigh 2,000 pounds. That would be closer to prototype than the new plastic engines. I still have some steel HO rail that if spiked to hard wood ties would hold it up!

    Give me a big all metal steamer any day! :D
     

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