Does anyone have a date for when the WP acquired control of either the Sacramento Northern RY, or the Tidewater Southern RY? Boxcab E50
The Tidewater Southern was merged into the WP just before the SUNA merged into the UTU. The SN was merged into the WP after the UP took control. That was around 1985 IIRC. After that, the WP stopped showing up on my pay checks. Hope this helps. Greg
Greg- I have a date of December 22, 1982 for the SN and TS being merged into, , UP. I was wondering, when did WP first gain control of the SN and TS? They must have bought stocks, or something, at an earlier date? Boxcab E50
The TS and SN were owned by the WP but they maintained a separate identity till 1971 for the TS and 1985 for the SN. The seniority rosters were merged on the dates, giving them WP dates and rights on the WP proper. They were owned out right for a long time, but they maintained the independent identity. I'm not sure why. I do know that the SN people held up the UP merger till they voted to accept the WP dates for seniority. It was a complicated affair with the SN as I remember. The old TS people faired much better when they merged prior to the unions SUNA and Brakeman’s union forming the UTU. For rolling stock and engines, yes they disappeared in 1982 but on paper it didn't happen till 1985. I will need to quiz a couple of people I know at work that would remember. Greg
Hey Boxcab, one interesting thing I came up with is the fact both those railroads were reclassified as steam from electric. TIDEWATER SOUTHERN 1912-12/1933 reclassified as steam (class III) SACRAMENTO NORTHERN 1906-1948 (WP 21-48) reclassified as steam (class I)
JT- I once knew a fellow who was quite an admirer of the SN electrification. He owned a large photo collection, etc. Guess that Railway had a small, but fanatical following. I believe that the SN acquired some of the old Oregon Electric motors. Big B+B+B+B units. Sure would have loved to see those in operation! Boxcab E50
Boxcab In an article on the SN on wp-empire site, it gives a date of 1921 that the WP aquired the SN. Mike Hinkle's WP site in the resource pages has a great amount on data on all of the WP subs.
Boxcab Yeah. Mike has got alot of WP info on his site. I think he has done a great job in providing a place to get WP info. Just got back from my LHS which is about an hour away. Found out that the MGR. of the hobby shop just took a full time job at the Portola Rail Museum. Don't know what they are trying to restore, but, word has it they are going to use F's for the Zepher trip in April. Marty
Marty- If using F's, I'm sure hoping someone will be posting a whole bunch of photos for that trip! What I'd originally read was the Zephyr cars would merely be appended to an Amtrak train. Boxcab E50
On the site that is advertising the trip, they said (Jan.) that the plan was to run a seperate train and run it with the F"s and a backup Amtrak loco. They also said it would depend on the status and readiness of those locos. I think there are still three, two in Portola and one in Susuin. Not really sure of my facts here.
JT- Am far from California. And have no photos to offer. Am hoping that someone else will do so..... Boxcab E50
Boxcab Sorry. the ad had no photos. Strange, now to think of it. They had no photos of the Zepher cars either. One more thing. The Zepher actually went thru the Feather River canyon, not over Donner as this trip is advertised.
I've been trying to locate the web page that had the information. It was a rail tour company. If I find it, I'll post the link. Boxcab E50
Marty- Got it. That was the site I was looking for. Have a bookmark now. Wish they'd have the Amtrak "back-up" power right light at a distance behind the train. Mixing it in completely spoils the effect. Oh well. Boxcab E50
