NYC Tricky Air

LEW Feb 27, 2004

  1. LEW

    LEW TrainBoard Member

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    We discussed tricky orders and now it will be tricky air.
    As new brake valves on the engines and control valves on the cars came into use the train line leakage
    became less and in some cases was
    almost nill.This story is about the same problem at the same place .
    Coming west from Crestline,O. to Avon,IN. we were instructed to pick up at Marion,O. 4 cars making a total of 150 cars leaving Marion.
    After making the air test and every one on board we departed. The train
    went right along at 50 mph and any slow downs was made by reducing the
    throttle.After about 40 miles we
    started down the 3/4% grade into Bellefontaine,O.Running in # 8 throttle position and 50 mph I set the air at the normal spot and noticed that the train did not seem to be reacting to the brakes.
    Glancing at the air pressure on FRED
    at the rear of the train it looked good so I made another reduction
    and by the responce I knew we had a
    problem.Making another 10 lb. reduction FRED started showing a
    reduction and the brakes started
    taking affect.I knew the train would slow to the 30 mph through the curves ahead so I released the air
    and the train slowed to about 20 mph
    The air had to be applied again to
    keep the train to the 30 mph through the curve.After the final release
    the air came up on FRED and you could tell the brakes were released and away we go. Another 20 miles and we are bounding along at 50 mph and the train starts pulling down and a look at Fred shows a leak in the trainline.Notching the throttle down as the speed and pull of the train demands we come to a stop.The crew walked back and on the 17th the angle cock was turned closed.This was the problem with the air at Bellefontaine. The angle cock had
    been partly closed slowing down the movement of the air for the brakes.
    In the next 20 miles the valve had
    viberated shut cutting off the air supply.After wiring the angle cock
    open we did not have anymore trouble.
    I have had this trouble before but
    never had one to close .
    About 8 years latter an engineer
    coming down the same hill did the same thing but the brakes did not apply and the air was still normal
    on the rear end and going to dynamic
    which would not slow the train down
    he went to emergency which did not do much good and went around the 30
    mph curve 60 mph.An angle cock 7
    cars behind the engine had closed
    and he had no brakes on the rest of the train.What saved him was that
    he had a dispatcher riding with him
    or they would have blamed the engineer.Today the engineer can set the air from the rear end of the train from his station on the engine
    and now you know the whole story.
    LEW
     
  2. fitz

    fitz TrainBoard Member

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    LEW, very interesting. That could ruin your whole day. So when you found the bad angle cock on your train, there were only 17 cars where the brakes were working? :confused:
     
  3. LEW

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    First that we picked up 40 cars instead of 4 to make the 150.
    The 17 cars were operating properly.
    The cars behind that were not because with the angle cock partly closed it was like reducing the train line in size. when I made a reduction the flow of air behind the 17 cars was
    restricted making for slow movement of the air to apply the brakes.That's why when I did not sense anything on the first reduction another reduction of ten lbs. was made.By watching the air gauge on FRED the hand did not fall at the proper speed,learned by watching these gauges for years,and then went after more air to get the trailine to fall on the rear end to a point that I knew would bring the train speed down to 30 mph and placed the brake handle in running position
    although the exhaust had not stopped
    blowing.Due to the slow release of the brakes due to the smaller amount of air to the train behind the 17th
    car I knew to start another reduction
    sooner than normal because of this
    slow movemant of air to maintain the 30 mph with the entire train.
    I asked the conductor who was on the second unit if he had started getting wormy and he said almost and then thought he has one more position,
    (emergency),and stopped worrying.
    The other engineer had only the 7 cars that had proper brakes.The only way those brakes could be applied behind the 7 cars was
    by trainline leakage and as I said
    earlier trainline leakage was sometimes nill and this was one of those times. LEW
     

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