what type of truck is this?

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  1. bigford

    bigford TrainBoard Member

    cebx-800 what type of truck is this?

    what type of truck is this?

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  2. Robbman

    Robbman TrainBoard Member

    Looks like a Barber S2-HD Ride Control...
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  3. atsf

    atsf TrainBoard Member

    Those are ASF Ride Control trucks. They appear to be 1970's vintage with 7 x 12 bearings and 38" wheels.
  4. maxairedale

    maxairedale TrainBoard Member

  5. atsf

    atsf TrainBoard Member

    Look at the friction castings and the bolster slope pockets - ASF Ride Control.
  6. Robbman

    Robbman TrainBoard Member

    The friction wedges and corresponding spring holders in the bolster simply denote it's a ride control truck, which any style of truck can have, regardless of if it was made by ASF.

    I'll have to dig out and compare the ASF Barber S2-HD Ride Control drawings to the ASF Ride Control drawings...

    The trucks for CEBX 8000 were cast in 1981 or so.
  7. atsf

    atsf TrainBoard Member

    Only Ride Control trucks have Ride Control friction castings. Other styles of trucks use other methods of truck stabilization.

    Don't confuse the design of the truck with the manufacturer of the side frames and bolsters. The Ride Control and the Barber S2-HD are very different. The Barber S2 was a competing design of ASF's Ride Control. A National C-1 or a Buckeye XCR or an ASF Motion Control are truck designs. The actual manufacturer may be one of a number of foundaries that have come and gone over the years.

    The photo above is not sufficient for me to determine the manufacturer or the casting date, but it is clear enough to identify the truck design as an ASF Ride Control - as opposed to an ASF Ride Master or a Barber S2, etc...
  8. Robbman

    Robbman TrainBoard Member

    Not true... there are Barber ride controls... just like there is no patent on the Barber design features internal to the sideframe and spring pockets, there is no patent on ride control features... any manufacturer can make a truck that utilizes sprung friction wedges against pads, not just ASF. I am well aware of the differences between sideframe design and manufacturer... that's why I specifically pointed out that I wanted to compare the drawings of ASF's own ride control truck vs the Barber S2-HD (which differs from the S2 and S2-C) ride control offered by ASF...
  9. DrifterNL

    DrifterNL TrainBoard Member

  10. atsf

    atsf TrainBoard Member

    I think you may be confusing the two truck designs. The Barber S2-HD is a specific truck design, and it has been produced by many different manufacturers, including ASF. It is totally separate from and has nothing to do with the Ride Controltruck design also produced by ASF. The ASF Ride Control utilizes a different method of stabilization from that of the ASF Barber S2-HD. Only Ride Control trucks contain Ride Control friction castings. Barber S2-HD trucks utilize either Barber friction castings or a version of the Pennsy split wedge. You will not find drawings of a Barber S2-HD Ride Control truck - it does not exist.

    All of the Ride Control designs are based on bolsters with internally sprung friction castings that create a constant force against the column wear plates regardless of the amount of weight on the bolster. In contrast, the Barber designs utilize springs that sit in the spring nest under the friction castings to create a variable force against the column wear plates that increases as the weight on the bolster increases. Ride Controls and Barbers are two totally different animals.
  11. atsf

    atsf TrainBoard Member

    For anyone still interested, it is an early type of 125-ton Ride Control.
  12. doofus

    doofus TrainBoard Supporter

    Could you highlight the areas for which you are describing?
  13. DrifterNL

    DrifterNL TrainBoard Member

    I stand corrected! :tb-embarrassed:
    Have a look here -> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamoker/299372396/
  14. flyboy1357

    flyboy1357 New Member

    So which types do our models most closely represent? I know BLMA is doing the ASF ride control in 70 and 100 ton versions but what about Atlas, Athearn, and Microtrains? Not to hijack the thread but since the topic of trucks was already going figured I get some input.

    Guess I should narrow that down a bit...looking for input on the modern stuff that would be on the rails today.
  15. bigford

    bigford TrainBoard Member

    well seeing as how i started this topic :tb-ooh:
    i'm thinking of scratch building something along the lines of the cebx-800
    as i was collecting photos i was thinking these trucks look wimpy
    like a regular freight truck. for something as large as the cebx-800
  16. DrifterNL

    DrifterNL TrainBoard Member

  17. rlmonts

    rlmonts TrainBoard Member

    Do yourself a favor and DO NOT start a scratch build on the CEBX 800. I can assure you that there is a manufacturer doing this AND it will have the correct trucks, molded in white.

    In addition to the Main car, the support cars will be done as well. (~80 foot flats)
  18. CSX Robert

    CSX Robert TrainBoard Member

    GREAT! I hope it is at least somewhat affordable because I have always wanted a Schnabel car. I have come close to ordering the Trix one several times, although it is a European prototype. OMI did one but it was a smaller one and it was just to rich for my blood!
  19. prbharris

    prbharris TrainBoard Supporter

    I do not think that this is a Schnable Car. It looks as if it is one of the Kasgro Cars - it looks like one of their two 12 axle cars.


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  20. bigford

    bigford TrainBoard Member

    any idea of a time frame on a n scale cebx-800???????
    i have the trix schnabel very nice for the price :thumbs_up::thumbs_up:

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