Excuse me, but the comment about "N ... babies" had a couple of smileys after it. What is the big deal with 'protecting your scale'? (No, please don't answer that ) Back on topic, I had OO/HO as a child. Gave up when adulthood struck in late 60s. Returned to N scale British in the 70s but then gave up again to get divorced and stuff. Came back in with British N in the late 80s, but gave it up for US G (or #1) about 95, partly because of less than perfect eyesight. Now I plan to move to HO (still US). For me the reasons are: G/#1 is too expensive, N is too small and HO has a phenomenal range of RTR equipment and kits. HO certainly isn't perfect, but at this stage of my life it offers the best set of compromises for me. (When I win the lottery I'll buy a farm and have a ginormous #1 layout across 20 acres )
I have nothing against N scale, it's just that the trains dont look like the kind that I'd be operating with. Their too small, the parts either get lost or broken and it's just "kids stuff", or what I said "N scale is for the babies". I love to super detail a layout, that's why I choose HO scale cause you can pack more detail into it. Plus you can scratchbuild an entire building from the ground up and even put floors inside for added detail.
Why not have your cake and eat it too? I have HO scale layout and am working on an N module! I like the social end of module running.
It's unbelievable! The same person who called those who model in N scale "babies", says he did not mean it, then says it (N scale) is "Kid Stuff" and again states "N scale is for babies". Gee, he scratchbuilds buildings in HO and EVEN PUTS FLOORS IN THEM! Imagine that, us N scalers are too dumb to even realize that buildings have floors.
<font color="336633">If things dont get back on track soon (no pun intended) then this thread will be locked, the topic was about why we chose HO, it wasnt to slag off modelers of other scales, if this dont stop NOW it will be closed.</font>
<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>If things dont get back on track soon (no pun intended) then this thread will be locked, the topic was about why we chose HO, it wasnt to slag off modelers of other scales, if this dont stop NOW it will be closed.<hr></blockquote> I agree, I'm not dissing N scale or the people who build in that scale, let's just go on and without any other confrontations, say like a email from someone to me (not saying any name).
Oh I know G scale's bigger & better, I'm hoping on getting a MTH U.P. Challenger or a Big Boy in G scale.
<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by UnionPacificBigBoy: I have nothing against N scale, it's just that the trains dont look like the kind that I'd be operating with. Their too small, the parts either get lost or broken and it's just "kids stuff", or what I said "N scale is for the babies". I love to super detail a layout, that's why I choose HO scale cause you can pack more detail into it. Plus you can scratchbuild an entire building from the ground up and even put floors inside for added detail.<hr></blockquote> Hey Big Boy, For someone who is all of 22 years of age you learned a lot of nothing in your lifetime. I can scratchbiuild an entire building from the basement up and not only do it in N scale but Z or any other scale you would like. I'll even put venetian blinds in the windows. Your reasoning on scratchbuilding is flawed because you start with a flawed base. I can pack as much detail into a scenre as you can in HO only I will do it in less space. Besides those 4-8-8-4 Big Boys don't look good going around 18 inch radius curves. It looks toylike. You know kid's stuff.
Well this column went to nit-picking in a hurry. Choose the scale you like, and model it. This is supposed to be fun. If you want N, model it. If you like HO, don't pick on the people that like N. I don't think saying it was "for the babies" was meant to offend anyone. It was a pun on the fact that it was smaller. I know if a G scale modeler said that HO was "for the babies" I would laugh...smaller = for the babies, larger = for the big boys. I'm sure it wasn't meant rudely. I think HO is easier to detail than N, and far easier for someone with the eyesight my dad has, but I think the larger you go, the more detailed the detailing gets. In the end, it boils down to the modelers experience and expertise. Nothing is going to be the real thing, so we are all just playing with toys.
What I want to know is "How many model railroaders posted here? This is getting downright silly.Why not answer the damn question and leave it at that? I model in 4 different scales and enjoy them all.I chose HO the first time around because quite frankly it had the best running equipment.Now I do Nscale mostly because I can get alot more railroading in the same space. Not to mention the fact that I also belong to an HO club,and a NTRAK group.Oh yeah I also model in 0n30 and #1 gauge.
I'm sorry if anyone was offended by my saying that "N scale doesn't run" I guess that was an oversimplification. I didn't say it to belittle anyone that models in that scale, but N scale just doesn't do what I would like it to. What I actually should have said is that N scale doesn't run to my satisfaction. Granted, there have been great strides in the reliablilty of some of the locomotives, and if it ever reaches a point where I am satisfied with the operation, I would get more involved in it. But, it has not reached that point.
Alright this has gone far enough. FLAMING IS NOT ACCEPTABLE ON THIS BOARD! The discussion is about WHY you chose HO, not what is right or wrong with anyone's ability to scratch build anything, or how small a radius a toy will negotiate. Each of you have every right to act like babies and scrap among yourselves, call eachother names, and throw a tantrum, BUT NOT ON THIS BOARD! Do it off line or we will close this discussion. You who want to carry on like squabbling children are free to engage in that behaviour on The TrainOrders Board, not here! From, WATASH !
<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by UnionPacificBigBoy: Clearly I think he's trying to get on my nerves with this little saying. Hey Inkaneer, you don't know me & frankly I don't know you, say what you want just don't get on my bad side ok? Saying that my scratchbuilding is flawed, well clearly your not me & I'm not you (Thank god for that) And the ignorance that was brought on to me before a few months back wasn't all that too amusing. And Inkaneer, a 4-8-8-4 Big Boy model was meant to go around on a 18 in. radius track, its a model for crying out loud! Oh & that saying that I didn't learn anything in 22 yrs. well clearly you didn't learn anything in your life but bad manners, maybe bad parenting or perhaps you were picked on as a kid? Who the hell knows or cares! LETS GET BACK ON TRACK & ENOUGH WITH THIS ALREADY! We all might be grown ups, but we're ALL kids at heart, so play nice & happy modeling!<hr></blockquote> I said you start with a flawed base. I do not apologize for it. If you start with the idea (the base)that you can do something in only HO scale then you will blind yourself to the possibility of doing it in N scale. This is your flawed base. It has nothing to do with your modeling it has everything to do with your mind set. Scale is a mere matter of reduction. Actually doing something in a smaller scale is more of an accomplishment than doing it in a large scale. Example The Bible is the worlds most printed book. So what? Then a guy printed it in a book only 1"X 3/4" and made the news. Whatever can be done in HO can be done in N and the N scale model will be the greater accomplishment because of the smaller scale. So how does that correlate to your statement. But that is no comfort for N scalers because the same argument can be made beteween N and Z scale. Now about that HO Bigboy model being able to go around an 18 inch curve. I got an N scale BigBoy that will do it on an 18 inch N scale curve and look much, much better than your HO model. You would need a curve with a radius of 33 inches to match that. Now don't get me wrong. It is not That I dislike or hate HO. I went to HO from O and I graduated to N from HO. HO has its advantages but so does N and O and G and Z and TT and whatever else. So to each their own but don't close your mind to the possibilities of something different and maybe better.
You know what Inkaneer, I'm not going on with this, your just flawed in your own ideas. It's time to move on or either whine like babies cause I said something then I apologized for it. Inkaneer, either you shape up or ship out of this discussion. Watash, like I told you in a email I sent ya, this matter is over. Now back to the question: "WHY DID YOU CHOSE HO SCALE?" [ 25 August 2001: Message edited by: UnionPacificBigBoy ]</p>
<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by UnionPacificBigBoy: "WHY DID YOU CHOSE HO SCALE?" [ 25 August 2001: Message edited by: UnionPacificBigBoy ]<hr></blockquote> Why I chose HO? Not too big or small, it's what I was originally exposed to as a kid, and I liked the variety I saw...one of my first diesels was an Athearn SP SD40T-2, and for an Espee fan like me, that model is a must-have! While there are some great products in Z, N, O, G, and other scales, HO is where my heart is at. I also really like the detailing possibilities (I guess I'm one of those rivet counters your parents warned you about ), with all the great parts out there...stuff like EMD components from Cannon & Co., and details from Details West, Detail Associates, Sunrise Enterprises, and so on. Give me a box full of Evergreen styrene and Cannon parts, and I'll build ya any EMD you want!
Mankind, I am leaning your way mainly because I enjoy scratch building, as well as converting (Kit-Bashing now days), and I have just gathered up an awful lot of tooling made for HO. I think some of the guys feel there is a difference in a watch maker, and a clock maker, just because of size, but the truth has always been, if the guy is a serious craftsman, he can build to scale. No one ever asked him what scale? He is a craftsman, that is all there is to it, no one scale is better than another, one is just diferent than another. Like the guy said, "It's all good, some is better than others!:. Well shucks, there goes my argument!
Guys, I'm here but I WILL NOT comment in this dicussion from this post on in this tread.. You are acting silly and childish... Why can't you see that it was ment as a "figure of speech" ? I seriously doubt that it was ment to do any belittling... I will be around reading and so on but while this flammer is going on i'll read and laugh... and go to another forum thread in trainboard.... Have fun guys arguing over something thats not worth belittling your own selves....
